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I think jail time is the least of what this woman deserves.

Those poor rabbits had no choice in what was done to them. This woman had a chance to act humanely, but chose not no.

She is not sweet, and what she did was not a "mistake." Her daddy is just blind to the facts of the horrible things she did.


 
BethM wrote:
I think jail time is the least of what this woman deserves.

Those poor rabbits had no choice in what was done to them. This woman had a chance to act humanely, but chose not no.

She is not sweet, and what she did was not a "mistake." Her daddy is just blind to the facts of the horrible things she did.
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I agree completely Beth.
 
BethM wrote:
She is not sweet, and what she did was not a "mistake." Her daddy is just blind to the facts of the horrible things she did.
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Exactly! I bet shedidn't think she would get this kind of reaction.I hope she gets punnished to the fullest extent of the law and then some.

It's so typical of a parent to be blind to what their children do. Asa parent I would think he would be apologetic instead oftelling the world how sweet his daughter really is, you have to be kidding me!
 
You guys are totally skipping over the death threatts. Did you even see it or do you only see what you want to see? It doesn't strike you as terrorist acts?

If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
 
Baby Juliet wrote:
You guys are totally skipping over the death threatts. Did you even see it or do you only see what you want to see? It doesn't strike you as terrorist acts?

If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
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PETA generally is extreme and usually I don't agree with them. But she's a disgusting human being. No, that doesn't warrant death threats, but most of us don't want to kill her. We just want her punished.
 
mardigraskisses wrote:
Baby Juliet wrote:
You guys are totally skipping over the death threatts. Did you even see it or do you only see what you want to see? It doesn't strike you as terrorist acts?

If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
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PETA generally is extreme and usually I don't agree with them. But she's a disgusting human being. No, that doesn't warrant death threats, but most of us don't want to kill her. We just want her punished.
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For better or worse, death threats seem to be the norm right now. (Health care town hall meetings.)
There are some members of PETA that do tend towards the extreme, and the media is going to cover those people more than people who just want her thrown into jail. It makes a better news story. By focusing only on that, you are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the media, rather than learning the facts.

I maintain that Ms. Carlisle acted maliciously, and that was proven by the fact that she put her picture on the internet for all to see. It is likely that she has commited similar atrocities in the past, but didn't document them, or would do more in the future.
She deserves jail time for what she did.


 
Baby Juliet wrote:
If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
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Yes, I am focusing on her acts. Because she deserves to be punished for what she did, and I'm glad it's in the media for others to see.

You seem to be missing the point that it is people being shown by the media who are making death threats, not people on this forum. One person making a death threat against Ms. Carlisle is just going to be ignored by me, but it will not make me rush to her defense and decide that she is really a sweet girl who should just be forgiven.
 
Baby Juliet wrote:
You guys are totally skipping over the death threatts. Did you even see it or do you only see what you want to see? It doesn't strike you as terrorist acts?

If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
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I didread the post stating that there were death threats (though is there proof of that?) I don't in any way feel that her life should be threatened however I do feel she should be punished.

I don't agree with PETA in most instances and no one should be taking the law into their own hands. That being said, I feel that what this girl is going through isa hard lesson learned. Hopefully she understands what she did was very, very wrong (on so many levels) and that she won't continue with this type of behavior.

I certainly would not run to her rescue either. Nor pretend she didanything wrong.

 
Baby Juliet wrote:
You guys are totally skipping over the death threatts. Did you even see it or do you only see what you want to see? It doesn't strike you as terrorist acts?

If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
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I think the Death threats are Childish, if you ask me, the threats are going to take away from what is really going on. I wish the threats would stop because after all is said and done it is going to show PETA in the light as a bunch of nut jobs. Although i am not a full supporter of PETA and alot of what it does, i do believe in peaceful protest, but nothing gets accomplished with extreme acts like that. I do believe that she is not remorseful, and agree completely that this is most likely not the first of sick offenses like this. I would think that the father would be apologetic to about what his daughter has done.
 
I am in full agreement with Beth and Fran. I don't always agree with PETA's methods, but we are the only voice that animals have. I feel that the Attorney there is a coward--not charging the picture taker/manager is wrong and if I lived in Ohio, I'd be circulating a "recall petition". As to the father and his poor, misunderstood, good girl. I am reminded of a case in Fremont California more than a decade ago. A 13 year old stabbed a man to death at a high school--when questioned his mother stated that she had no control, he would hang out all night with his "gang" friends, drink, do drugs and had a "rap sheet" that was more than 60 pages. But, "he's a good boy". Death threats are wrong and so is killing a doctor because he performs abortions. I saw no feeling of empathy or remorse in the picture she posted--she was proud of what she had done. She is evil and disgusting. One year in jail is not enough for what she did. Don't think she's too bright either--didn't she read about Michael Vick? I tend not to believe anything she or her father has to say--it's just damage control. She's gonna speak at her trial--sure--I'm wondering if any of the casino's here would give odds on it--her lawyer won't let her take the stand and I bet the District attorney will fold like origami and take a plea deal, as it will be the easy way for them, just like not charging the manager/photographer or going after Petland.
 
There is 2 ways of looking at death threats depending on your point of view, 1. Death threats are too much, they won't bring the rabbits back. 2. If she'd murdered a human she'd get the death penality so, why should it be any different for murdering innocent animals? It still a life.
But whatever the opinion she needs to be punished for what she has done.
 
Baby Juliet wrote:
You guys are totally skipping over the death threatts. Did you even see it or do you only see what you want to see? It doesn't strike you as terrorist acts?

If you just focus on her acts and not the others, you are just like her.
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I'm just like her- a rabbit drowner- because I expect PETA to stoop to death threats and know they never follow through and that's basically the way of the internet?

Logic!


 
I'd like to nip the argument stemming from Baby Juliet's post in the bud. Posts about the incident and news updates are welcome, but we steer clear of PETA arguments and the like because they can get out of hand.

If you don't agree, please just agree to disagree.

Thanks for understanding.


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I can't get the image out of my mind either and haven't looked at it since it was first posted. I also seriously doubt that she has received a serious threat of death and don't understand why she didn't have to show in court--just her lawyer trying for some "spin" and damage control.. "Euthanasia by drowning". Doesn't that arrogant ass realize that drowning is one of the most painful ways to die. One picture being worth 10,000 words, all the District Attorney needs do is show her smiling face from her facebook photo. I can't believe any one would let that same manager open up another pet shop. If the DA wasn't such a coward, she should be facing charges as well as the district rep of Petland. That attorneys line of BS about "euthanasia by drowning" really sticks in my throat. Trying to make it look like she was doing a kindness and that it was someone else's fault that the rabbits were injured--that statement is a strong indictment against both Elisabeth Carlisle and the manager and everyone else at that store that did nothing to protect those little bunnies. I am still mad as hell!!!!!!:banghead
 
I know what you mean. I am not a violent person by nature. I would rather work things out with a long talk, or some other type of mediation. But, that woman has made me so mad, I don't think I could keep my peace (or my fists from her face) if I ever ran into her on the street! :tantrum:
 
They might be sleeping, but I have to go cuddle my buns now. I swear pet stores need to be regulated for health and safety.

Here is my idea: Make it a requirement that pet stores first refer a person to a shelter to get their pet. Give the pet store $10 or whatever for every referral. The fee can be payed by a very minor tax on animal adoptions, even $1 or less would probably be fine, since many adoptions won't be referrals.

If you really, really want to make a difference, working for far reaching regulation like this is the way to do it IMO.

Anyway, I want to not have to think about this situation anymore so I'm not going to watch this thread.
 
I have no desire to punch her. Instead, I'd like to see the coward of a prosecutor go after everyone that is culpable, not take the easy course. The other thing that really gripes me is the rhetoric used by her attorney--Euthanasia by drowning? Bull you know what. She can't come to court because of "death threats" equates to trying to make her look like the victim. And her father--she's a good girl, she just made a mistake. I SAW THE PICTURE, she's not in any way good. She's a sociopath who's only regret is getting caught.
 
Arent there laws of accetable forms of euthanasia? I would think drowning would not be one?

I love that this case is getting this much attention, and hopefully because all the people are watching she will be charged to the fullest that she can get. I do not feel sorry for her in the least and i dont think for a second that she is sorry for what she did and that she was doing them rabbits a favor by euthanising them in that manor.
 
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