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Jenny, wow that is so weird cos I was in there this morning, I was trying to look at the name of the antibiotic but when I checked on the shelf, the bottle wasn´t there, the nurse had filled up the needs and must have gone for a change so I don´t know just that it begins with Bexta........, I will definitely ask her tomorrow. She´s also been giving him metacam as well. I am now pretty sure that this all started when he was off his food that night and I am still beating myself up for not taking him for a check up on the Monday after but hindsight is a great thing and it is what it is now.

She did say that we will probably change to bicilin next week but she can´t give the injections as she´s allergic to it. I was discussing a few things with her today and she is so good with him. She did say that there should be specialists for just rabbits as they are complicated to treat but in Spain, there are very few people, in comparison with say the UK or the USA who keep them as pets so you´re lucky to find someone like her who is quite a specialist. She also treats other exotics and people come from quite a distance to see her with their snakes, ferrets, tortoises, hamsters, parrots, there was even a woman this morning looking for worming tablets for her goat !! So I suppose, I am lucky that she is only down the road.

We´re just draining if necessary and filling with honey which is clearing bacteria so we´ll see how it goes. I did remember Gosling and her absess that they were also treating with honey.

They seem to be coping being apart but I know they miss each other and Snowy was at the door of his part of the enclosure earlier. I really miss them being able to groom each other and snuggle together.

Before bedtime tonight, I will try to fill again and I also have to give him his antibiotic jab. It´s amazing how quickly you get used to doing it. He must be feeling alright, he´s just zoomed passed me to go behind the sofa. I am so glad that till now, I haven´t had to force feed him and that he seems to be enjoying his veggies. I got loads of free stuff this morning from my market stall where I buy the herbs. I bought dill, coriander and endives and they let me take as many leaves of romaine lettuce, cabbage, carrot tops and beetroot tops so I have loads of stuff. I am free feeding him as much as he wants to eat as he weighed 1.950 kilos last Thursday, he went down to 1.890 on Tuesday but he´s back up to 1.900 today so I am trying to keep his weight up. He´s not really been eating pellets for the last 4 or 5 days and he´s only picking at his hay. I´ve also been giving him dried dandelion which he loves and is eating well so hopefully that will keep him up on the fibre.

I just hope that they don´t have to be apart for too long but I realise that it could be a little while before we can get back to normal. First week of bills has come to just under 180 Euros but that´s included the first main appointment plus the xray so it should be better for the next week as probably only injections.

I wish now I had asked if I could take a video of some of the procedures as it has been very interesting to watch, I can´t believe that the small hole she made in the abscess is an exact fit for the end of the syringe I use to inject the honey, some skill there.
 
Well I asked which antibiotic she is using and it´s generic name is Cefalexina. Not much to report, same procedure each morning, antibiotic & metacam and honey in the abscess. I have managed to do it myself twice today and will do it once more before bed when I give him the antibiotic injection. I feel really bad for him but I know it´s the best for him right now so I´m trying to give him all his favourite things and a little treat after each time. He is such a sweet little boy and is so good, I think he´s actually getting used to it. Back again tomorrow so probably will continue this until the beginning of next week. She´ll then decide if we will change from antibiotic to penicilin.

I was actually wondering if there´s anything else I can give him apart from hay and his veggies and greens as I know some people give a few oats and I even read the other day that people feed their bunnies shredded wheat and weetabix. Anybody fed their bunnies any of these things and how much if you do ????
 
Bandy I'm sure is smart enough to know you are helping him and although you keep poking at him and jabbing him I'm sure relieving some of the pressure has probably made it feel a bit better as well.

Have you tried him on any different types of hay?
 
Difficult to get different types over here, very limited, but have a couple of different brands and he's liking one I bought with camomile. Just wondered if I could feed him some oats as I know they give them to disabled and underweight bunnies to keep up their weight.

He is a good boy, I just hate him having to go through all this.
 
Well it was interesting this morning as mostly rabbits. The one in before me also has an abscess on the jaw but could hardly see it. I did ask the vet and she said that it's worse than Bandys as it's well into the bone. He was very subdued, I held him for a while and he never moved poor little soul. Bandy is stable. She made another incision today as the left side had started to.open which is good so we are now filling with honey in two places. I was worried as he's not eating very much and his poops are quite small although he seems to pooping regularly so she suggested feeding some critical care so he maintains gut motility. He has just eaten a bit of basil so I'll keep trying to tempt him with other things to keep him eating.

Other bunny that was after me was a liitle lop, about three months. They had taken him/her, didn't know the sex, to another vet for vaccination. He noticed a small lump and suggested that they had it seen at my vets as she is the specialist in this area, how good is that to admit it. I hope the little one was Ok, will ask on Monday. I did a bit of training though as they didn't know you could litter train bunnies si I went through how to do it and I hope they do.

By the way, they rehomed the three babies they had and now they've got another 5, real cities just love them at that age.
 
Just thought I'd post a pic of him relaxing.in the sun yesterday.

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I hope all of the buns recover.

Good for you teaching the people about litter training. I'm on a facebook page for flemmish giants and I have suggested to people on there to come here to RO several times.

He's so fluffy and handsome.
 
The oil opened it up and I kept draining it and rinsing w/hydrogen peroxide.
In the beginning the pus smelled sooo bad. It healed and he was very spry and never was bothered again
 
How big was the limp and what oil did you use ? Still with the honey, looks like it's clearing the pus which does smell awful but large abscesses can firm different compatments. I am now treating two. I have fed him some critical care this morning and he is nibbling some herbs, dandelion and a bit of hay but he has lost weight. I will be feeding him more critical care throughout the day. He is still running about and curious but I need to keep that gut moving as poops are still small. It's gonna be another long day :p
 
Peroxide isn't good for rabbits. Just a warning. It does tissue damage. The better wound cleaner would he iodine, diluted so it looks like tea.
Peroxide isn't recommended for many animals because its harsh on the skin.

I'm glad that Bandy is doing well. Good job getting to the critical care early on! I hope its not a huge struggle to give it to him, as it was a huge struggle for little miss attitude!

Still sending him good thoughts!
 
It is Morgan unfortunately so I will will have to do little and often. I just feel the poor thing must be stressed out with the injections, filling wound with honey and the feeding. My poor little mite looks such a mess, I need to ask the vet tomorrow if she can shave some of the fur under the chin as I can't cut it, too risky and it is covered in honey.
 
I am treating an inoperable abscess on my rabbit's leg, right on the joint of his hock. He's 11 now so operating would be risky in any case, and where this is, the vet feels it would be impossible to work on without causing damage to his joint. He's doing really well.

As well as having daily antibiotics, it's also cleaned out twice daily with a solution of F10 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DR29JUA/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

I attended a talk recently by one of our leading UK rabbit vets, Molly Varga She is the newest author of this book now that Frances Harcourt-Brown is set to retire http://www.amazon.com/dp/0702049794/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20 Her talk was on the management of soft tissue abscesses and was to veterinary professionals at the RWAF's Veterinary Conference. She spoke about packing abscess cavities post-surgery and one of the preparations she mentioned for soaking the packing was F10. I know that leading UK vets use it in nebulisers too when rabbits have respiratory infections. It's made the world of difference to Nutmeg. Although there is still a small amount of pus production, it's greatly reduced and the wound is looking pink and healthy.

Please always take your rabbit to a rabbit savvy vet when there are lumps and bumps. Abscesses need urgent treatment, and are not easy to overcome. Often treatment is surgical, and this really is best where it's possible, to remove any infected tissue around the pus filled cavity. Any on the jaw are usually linked to a dental problem, often impacted tooth roots.

I hope your rabbit does really well
 
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Thanks for the info. I took him as soon as I noticed. He is on antibiotics and pain medication and it has been drained several times and we are now filling with honey to assist in clearing the bacteria, the abscess has several compartments. Next week, depending how we are doing, she may change to Penicilin G. He is reasonably well considering although I have been feeding Critical care today as he is not eating as much. The vet is not keen on operating unless we have no other option. Sounds like your bun is doing Ok, that is a grand age.
 
Sounds like you're doing a great job with Bandy. It's so hard to do things our buns don't enjoy, even though we know it's best for them.

Get well soon, Bandy! You look gorgeous sunbathing. :pray:
 
It really is difficult when you have a sick bun both for them and for you. For them, having to handle so much and prodding, poking, force feeding and sticking needles in them and for us as we suffer for their discomfort and hope they don't hate us for it. I must admit it's been a stressful few days but I am prepared to do anything I need to for him. He is such a sweet bunny with a wonderful gentle personality.

He is still laying out and relaxing so that does me feel better as it's a good sign. He has been eating a bit this afternoon, basil and some dandelion.

Really appreciate everyone's support, it's good to have people who understand out there :highfive:
 
Well not great news at the vets this morning. The lump isn't going down so she open and clean out completely on Friday. Shechas started the course of penicilin today to see if there is any improvement but I don 't think we have a choice if we want a good recovery. Two friends have already asked if it's worth it and I can't believe they actually asked. I obviously am worried about the cost but I have to do this for my little champ. He is still eating and he's alert so I know he is still fighting. No vets appointment now until Thursday, I have pain killers for tomorrow and Wednesday. I have just fed him critical care as the last thing we need now is a slow tummy. I have to clean under and around the abscess tomorrow. The vet suggested and sponge and a very small amount of washing up liquid. I am worried about drying it as it iscdirectly under the abscess and I don't want him to catch cold....any suggestions ??
 
Bit of a panic just now as suddenly there was an awful smell and I realised it was the abscess which had started to drip. I had noticed that he had been shaking his paws a lot so it had been dripping down his neck and onto his feet. Had to carry him wrapped up in a towel while I filled up a bowl with warm water, got the kitchen roll and put some gloves on. The amount that came out was amazing, like free flow and it reeks not to mention he was dripping all over my clothes so I stink as well. Squeezed it gently until it stopped dripping, cleaned it up but have also had to clean him up as well. Just drying off in front of the heater now. Have not packed with honey again as not sure so will call the vet in the morning and will have to keep my eye on him for a few hours just in case. Good boy is sitting on my knee drying off. I will need to clean him but the poor thing was already stressed out enough from me squeezing his abscess. Wondering if that's the penicilin already starting to work.
 
That sounds like you had a bit of a mess today. Poor guy :( But draining out sounds much better than staying in there. It would be nice if you are already starting to see benefits from switching antibiotics. I'm glad you're using the penicillin now. From all I've read, it seems to be one of the most effective antibiotics for jaw abscesses. Hopefully this is just the start, and you continue to see marked improvement each day.

You may want to talk to your vet about using an antiseptic solution, like the F10 suggested if that is available to you, or something equivalent. I think it will be helpful in keeping the cavity as sterile as possible.

For drying, I've used a blow dryer on low heat and speed setting before, but this only will work if it doesn't freak him out at all. If you want to try it, turn it on from a bit away from him to see his reaction, then if he seems ok, gently turn it to blow a bit on him and see how he does. If he seems calm enough then you should be fine drying him with it. But just keep a close eye on his stress levels, as well as body temp. You don't want him getting too hot or too cold.

I know it's a bit shocking and disturbing when people say things like that. I wish they wouldn't. Don't be too hard on them though. Non pet people especially, I think have a hard time understanding the love we have for our animals. In a way our pets are like our babies. We love and care for them, and feel responsible for their well being, and not everyone gets that.
 
Yes,it was definitely messy and means I haven't had much sleep as worried it was gonna start to drip again. He has been shaking his front paws a lot an cleaning himself constantly, does freak me out. But I have checked and it seems to be dry.

I washed as much as I could and he sat on my knee in front of the heater blowing warm air while it dried him. He was so good, I don't think he's ever sat still on me for that long ever, it was so nice to sit and stroke him. He still needs cleaning again, may do it later today as the fur under his chin is still dirty but is is so hard as it's directly under the abscess.

Good news is he ate a whole big bowl of greens tonight so have just put down another.

I am hoping that is the penicilin working already ,it really was amazing the amount of pus that came out. I have also read quite a bit about penicilin and it seems to reach the infected area better so I will see what she says Thursday, she's away at a conference today and tomorrow.

People sometimes just don't think, it is hard when treatment is costly but it isn't the biggest factor when they have a good chance of making a full recovery. I didn't take them on to give up at the first hurdle. I am hoping the three of them will be with me for a good few years to come.
 
Well glad to say that after continuing with the penicilin injections and the drainage and packing, the size of the abscess has shrunk considerably. Bandy is now eating normally, he's back on his pellets and has been the model patient and so good with all the handling and vets visits. I never thought we would get to this stage as just over a week ago, the abscess was the size of a golf ball but we have persevered and it seems to be working. There is still a long way to go but I can see that with the right treatment and lots of patience and constant care, surgery is not always the best option. Thanks to my fantastic vet for trying other options before surgery and having faith in my big fluffball :)
 

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