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DB's DH:

We've been up for awhile and are getting ready. Should be heading out in about 45 minutes to pick up the squeakers.

Fortunately the remnants of Ike seem to only be moving NW at about 14 MPH. That's good for us. They're expecting the worst of it to hit here tomorrow.

We will plan to drop of the buns this evening, unless I misunderstood Leaf's message, the weather moves in faster than expected or if we are too exhausted from driving in the rain all day. Here's hoppin' it stays drier.

Neither of us have Internet on our phone's so we will not be posting on the road. If you have either of our cell numbers and need (or want) to get ahold of us, just call.

I will post a short blurb just before we leave.
 
Well, this transport has had an eventful run, with an unexpected twist at thelast minute..

The most important part is all rabbits that were on the transport are safe!

:yes:



During planning the MOHRS intervenedbit. They showed great concern over two aspects:

1. They don't know me.

2. I'm not a member of the HRS

Due to these "shortcomings" they are concerned about a possible "hoarding" situation.

Bunnies saved IS what it's all about!

:highfive:

I believe a lot of the thoughts are that if I were "legit" in my actions I'd already be a member of the HRS and help more locally - without wanting to "import" animals that are in dire need. The HRS needs volunteers themselves due to the huge volume of animals they take in - leaving them unable to help small rural shelters overflowing with rabbits at a moments notice.

However, in this situation they have stepped in, albeit in the last stages of a trip to safety - that a simple home/vet check could have eased their minds about.

They, as all organizations, always run with a full plate when it comes to striving for the best for all animals great and small...

But yet, it's really all good. If they're able to step in as an organization - it is their "job" and that takes strain off of an individual, distributing cost and time to a well oiled organization that can handle funding and housing with relative ease. The more hands the merrier I say!



Bless their souls, downtownbuns and her DH got caught in the middle - not knowing me, but knowing the HRS and valuing the clubs thoughts and decisions.

While this turn of events was stunning to me, and somewhat of a blow to my self esteem, I can understand downtownbuns decision to takethe warning to heart and opt to not complete the transport.



In all, everyone from start to finish has been wonderful in helping the needy bunnies that were coming here for safety, sanctuary and new beginnings. Though the transport didn't end the way we all expected it to, in the long run, the rabbits DO come first and that is truely what counts!

:happybunny:



I guess... I've reported everything I know as up to the minute as possible here. Before I mark it as resolved and move the thread to the Rescue Stories section I'll leave it here a bit longer so anyone who wants to "report in" can have a chance.





:clover:



 
I honestly don't know what to say. Jessica you are far from a hoarder. In the end the bunnies are safe and that is what matters. You are now free to save others.

Right now just focus on your latest rescue and know that you are the best thing that could happen to ANY animal.


 
TreasuredFriend wrote:
It's odd to read your message, Leaf, that you need to belong to a certain club in order to help rabbits. :huh Bless you gals for caring and volunteering! :hearts



I honestly don't have an answer to that.

I speak from more dog/cat rescue experience, and from that I do know that if a Humane Society or Animal Control or even a Rescuewere to want to move an animal (lets say dog) from their facility to a different rescue, a different facility, a foster home, a sanctuary or to an adopters home - they don't go through ... I dunno - AKC, local or national breed rescues, meet-up groups or whatnot for 3rd party approval, but then, I can only speak of my knowledge about cats and dogs - not rabbits.

Perhaps I should have checked into things more closely in the beginning.

What is it people say? RESEARCH!!

:sigh:

I guess I still have a lot to learn.
 
Im glad the bunnies are safe, thats the most important thing.

That being said, I amdisappointed to hear that a transport was derailed by a third party in no way involved with the transport. I understand they want to be sure the rabbits are safe, but if there were concerns, some sort of phone call to ask for a reference or holding the rabbits while someone could do a home check would have been much more appropriate. I know had anyone tried to verify that Jessica's situation was acceptable for the rabbits she would have passed with flying colors.

Again, Im thrilled the bunnies are safe for now, but I see we have a long way to go on getting individual rescues, foster homes, and potential adopters to be able to work more effectively with chapters of the House Rabbit Society. *big sigh*

Leaf, youre amazing for what you do. And thank you so much to downtownbuns and everyone else so dedicated to helping these bunnies get to safety.

 
You guys are ALL wonderful!

I think.. I think.. it would be pretty cool to have a ROMeet-Up... let's say, at my place sometime?

Just everybody don't come at once. I wouldn't want to be accused of...

J/K errr - :?

...

Honestly, today was a huge blow to my self esteem. I was very excited and anticipated the arrivals with great joy but life IS subject to change.

My biggest concern at this point is what to do with all the veggies in my 'fridge! I have a ton (not literally, but pounds and pounds) Anybody have good salad recipes to share?!

LOL -

Well guys, Thank You for everything! For those that know my crazy work schedule, I worked Thursday night and had a very eventful Friday day so I didnt get much sleep until LATE in the evening... My sleep was crazy and I actually got up around 3:45am Saturday morning because I had a lot to accomplish before the buns were to arrive, and then when they didn't - well, I've managed to putter the evening away. So I'm getting off here for a while. My major decision now? Should I watch The Terminal or X-Men...

You guys are a great bunch, ALL of you!
 
<Catnap hat OFF>

I personally spoke to a representative of the MO HRS last night for an extensive period of time. Although as an organization their involvement in the rabbit portion of this transport was never requested, I considered it only polite to have a dialogue to discuss the concerns of a fellow rescue organization, even when the request arrived at 10 p.m. after a long and exhausting day. Let me stress: MO HRS had absolutely no jurisdiction, legal or otherwise, over these rabbits; for the cavies, their assistance was and is greatly appreciated. They took it upon themselves to "intervene" with the rabbits who were to come on the return trip. Vetting Leaf's credentials to house, care for, and appropriately adopt out these rabbits was not their responsibility.

Apparently, although I have earned the trust of major humane organizations in my area with a proven, documented track record of finding safe, appropriate rescue placements and adoptive homes, my judgement after reviewing Leaf's situation is not good enough for MO HRS, even though the person I spoke to admitted she had not one shred of evidence to back up her "suspicions."

I am further distressed that at no point in this conversation was I told they intended to prevent the rabbits from reaching Leaf. That news was sprung on us at the last minute today. Fortunately, the rabbits were at Catnap, and therefore safe. Had they still been waiting at AWL, as has often been the case in the past, I can almost guarantee they would have been taken straight to the back room and euthanized on the spot.

While I'm at it, may I also say that it is a very bad idea for anyone to sling around the word "hoarder," especially to someone who has actually walked into a hoarder's home to rescue animals. That is a word with a very specific, clinical meaning and serious legal and social ramifications.

From this point on, anyone interested in learning more about these rabbits and where they are going (and when) should contact Catnap directly. This transport was to be a big "last hurrah" before taking a much needed vacation, so I have asked - and Catnap has graciously agreed - that they take over total decision-making responsibility for this particular group while I rest, recuperate, and decide where to go from here.
 
Sickly Angora, now called Sofia, had already found a home with a Catnap employee, where I know she will be loved and spoiled to within in inch of her life. Oddly enough, she'll eat pellets and hay but refuses veggies! That's a new one by me. They're working with her on that little quirk.

 
Well, we finally arrived back in St. Louis after driving through hours of torrential rain and watching cars go off the road. :shock:

Please take the rest of this with a grain of salt, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes nor to intimate anything. I (DH) am very exhausted, physically, mentally, and emotionally from this all. I may actually be sharing more than I should, but I think some explanation is in order.

First an update. Thirteen pigs were safely delivered to Bluefrog and company at Catnap. Five beautiful little lop boys are in St. Louis (at our place temporarily). The remaining rabbits are at Catnap. They kept the one's they felt most able to adopt out. I understand they are actually Bluefrog's adopts from the other shelter. This is just what was spoken about with the woman at Catnap after Bluefrog left and left the buns in her hands.

How did HRS get involved? Three people that were helping with the transport (and the last one to Leaf) are HRS members. We've all been working with and rescuing bunnies from one end of Missouri and surrounding states to another for years. That would be myself, Downtownbuns and one other that I will let speak up if they care to.

I don't know the exacts of it, but on the othe side of things HRS was already arranging with Bluefrog to get the pigs to her.

Now, it was not our intention to involve HRS at all. We were just going to make the run. However, yesterday the pig request came up from Bluefrog. The 13 little piggies came from MO HRS. Where did MO HRS get them? I only think I can share part of that, but ultimately they came from a gigantic, very well publicized case of hoarding in Missouri. I wish I could only tell you how many animals of how many varieties are involved. It is truely tragic.

HRS also had absolutely no idea who was transporting the pigs to Chicago and was a little concerned about this. It wasn't until this morning that they found out it was us. Yeah!

So, we are loading up the pigs and the question is asked if any of us have been to Leaf's place (we had not) and if she might be a hoarder. We have no idea, but she has taken in (and probably redistributed) a lot of buns in the last few weeks.

Now this might seem an absurd, paranoid or self-righteous question to ask, but HRS has had to deal with multiple hoarding cases in rural Missouri this year, not to mention dump-offs, multiple pregnancies, etc., etc. Intake is up I believe 100 buns over last year (could be completely wrong).

The intent was not to accuse Leaf of hoarding. But when hoarding does occur HRS is often the 501(c)(3) (charity) called upon to come in and help clean up the mess because they have legal status, a well documented paper trail, financial resources, rabbit specialist vets, etc. None of this makes them(us) better than anyone else. It is just what the courts need if they are going to justify permanantly taking away someone's animals and assigning them to someone else.

Downtownbuns and I only want what is best for all the critters involved. She may have decided more with her heart than head to make this run, but all she could think about last night was rescuing the buns and pigs in spite of having dizzy spells all evening and having been sick for most of the last 6 weeks.

Leaf you certainly do not need HRS's approval to take in buns. Actually HRS would probably love to work with Leaf. But as members, not being able to say we had seen your shelter caused us a gut check. We have seen HORRIBLE situations where you would not expect them and we had no way to check it all out at 10:30 this morning and still make the run. Until then the H-word had not even entered our minds.

So, here's the situation. Having put our foot in it, while en route we called the local head of HRS to ask advice. Not knowing Leaf's details she asked us to see what could be arranged with Catnap until we have a huge public adoption here on the 28th or until somebody actually sees Leaf's setup, etc.

We were both affraid we would be advised to leave the buns in Illinois and let "them" worry about it. Instead, the head of HRS volunteered to take in whatever buns Catnap could not handle. Let me tell you, she is every bit as full as Catnap, but did not want to see the buns in a situation where they would go back and risk euthenasia or another horrible end.

The offer provided the two of us much relief. We know the situation and how the buns will be handled. That is not to say Leaf wouldn't do a wonderful job. But Downtownbuns and I simply do not her on a personal level nor anyone that is intimately familiar with her setup and organization.

All I can say is I am sorry. We did not intend to commandeer the buns. We did not intend to make Leaf feel like garbage or to waste anyone's time or resources. We only wanted to help you guys and help the bunnies. The pigs were an added on bonus. And that made the run doubly sweet!

Leaf we weren't even trying to say, your not part of the "club" (that got a laugh, I never thought of HRS as a club). We frequently work with other sanctuaries and rescues. We have tons of people that foster rabbits until they can find their final "happy home". We even work with and try to educate other people that personally take in and redistribute bunnies to (in some of their cases) God-knows-where. We don't try to rule the whole bunny world (remind me to show you the secret handshake *chuckle*).

Perhaps we can all work together in the future to save even more animals.

I would also like to say a big heart felt THANK YOU from The Missouri House Rabbit Society to all involved for taking the little Guinea Pigs. It is truely appreciated. And I am sure they would express it much better than that.

Leaf or anyone else please feel free to contact us online or directly if you have more questions, concerns, or simply want to give us a piece of your mind. Could we also leave this thread open for just awhile for more discussion, clearing up of stuff and healing of hurts?

Thank you, The DH and Downtown Buns

:dude:
 
downtownbuns
Not knowing Leaf's details she asked us to see what could be arranged with Catnap until we have a huge public adoption here on the 28th...

This is great! As the Admin here and the instigator of the cross-posting campaign to help BlueFrog save the poor Chicago Ridge bunnies, this is a best case scenario. :)

I had been asking about the Chicago HRS stepping in, but judging from the response, it didn't look like too likely. And I know our co-Admin, Haley, had been in touch with the MO HRS so I assumed they were aware of the situation. (I believe she had spoken to her vouching for Leaf before).

The HRS is, as you say, has legal status, organizational skills, financial resources, rabbit specialist vets, etc.. They really are the best people to have involved.

I know it's out of state, but if there is anything more you can do to keep the Chicago Ridge situation from happening again, even better. I had suggested a 'Friends of Chicago Ridge Rabbits' group to give them a proper advocacy to make sure no more rabbits are lost, or at least encourage and help them set up proper fostering and adoption programs, Petfinder listings, etc.

Seeing as these current rabbits did have somewhere else to go it's a moot point, but as far as any 'politics' go, I know how cautious HRS and even Bunderground people are about 'hoarders' because of their experience, but I will guess that Leaf has had equal experiences having been employed as an Animal Control Officer.

(Did you read the post about her latest life-saving rescue, btw?)

http://www.rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=39376&forum_id=16

But still, it IS a term that is being used a little too freely by people quick to raise suspicions when some simple research outside the organization will save a lot of people a lot of pain.

This is the second time there has been this kind of suspicion raised about one of our Moderators, but please be very sure we do a lot of deep vetting before handing over the keys and trust of our substantial membership.

In Leaf's case, I think the poor girl first signed on just to research her first two shelter bunnies, and once we realized she had the smarts, the compassion and the resources, we totally sucked her in to continuing to rescue, even making her a rescue Mod. ;) (Okay, she was a willing vict...er... member).

It's honestly pretty easy to research somebody on here -- I'm not sure why the MOHRS person didn't believe Haley or do any follow-up, but I guess although we are a large board, we do tend to stay under the radar. Still, searching one's posts and references to their situation can tell the whole story. Leaf has posted updates about how she did rehome most of the last batch of bunnies.

I will add that some of our rescue work doesn't fit the HRS criteria, otherwise I'm sure we'd seek an affiliation or at least a 'steady' relationship. We support outdoor sanctuaries when necessary (as long as we're not rehoming house bunnies outside, the rabbits need to take a step up in care, not down); we welcome responsible breeder resources to help with temp housing and transport; we have a sizable rural membership so a lot of the rescues we get involved in are death row meat rabbits, outdoor abuse cases, etc.

But we certainly don't want to be at odds with anybody. We don't want to be excluded from helping, nor exclude anyone from helping us. We are truly 'drama-free' --no politics, no dissension, not at all combative. We are concerned solely with the bunnies. We have a lot of members on this board and thus a lot of 'people' resources, and we do what we can to encourage them all to step up to the plate to help when needed. So far, this has been greatly beneficial to the rabbits!

We'd like to keep that the bottom line. It honestly doesn't matter how these rabbits got to where they are, who did what or why. They are safe and will be happily rehomed and that is all that matters!

Thank you guys for all you do! You are both truly amazing!


sas :bunnydance:
 
downtownbuns and DH - you guys did an admirable job going so far out of your way and working with the guinea pigs. What a huge transport and accomplishment!

Was the weather bad your whole trip? Here we didn't get more than a few sprinkles during the day/evening. Now, at almost 4:00am it's pouring and has been for a good solid hour+.

As for the rabbit transport, both you and DH (or DH & you..) had to make a decision based on what little information was provided and is actually known. You guys don't know me any more than the HRS does, or that they think they do, so I can see where concern would be, in a way.

The biggest suprise was not that there would be any concern - but more along the lines of how everything was railroaded, last minute, based on... well, based on what, I'm not sure about.

I'venever been more than a phone call, e-mail, message board post or instant message away from being gotten ahold of where any interested parties of past transports or this last scheduled transportcould haveinquired.


With a huge network of friends that are eager to help with rabbits, right now I have a lot of soothing over to do about these recent events. While none are members of the HRS, getting aquainted with the club was in the forefront of all of our minds as they (HRS) seems to always be in need - and we believe(d)... here we are...

If it were known how much I've organized and pushed people towards getting to know the HRS...

It would be wonderful to be part of a network intent upon saving rabbits in need. Now I don't know how the HRS would even be approachable, being as it seems I'm so ... I don't know what since noone can come up with anything... but it was enough to derail a transport that in turn derailed so much more. I could imagine the struggle of getting established with them from the ground up - but seemingly being in the hole to begin with?

And as for a secret handshake.... oh no... IF I were ever to go to a HRS meeting, I'd demand to see all members binkie across the room in greeting to all who enter the facility!

:biggrin2:


 
Pipp, I have been providing a regular list to Chicago HRS of what rabbits are at SSHS and Chicago Ridge, per their request, since they are too full to accept intakes but do refer people with specific requests to shelters that they know have that type of bun. Perhaps they should distribute that list to other HRSs as they deem appropriate.

Everyone,Fortunately I had gotten the numbers at Chicago Ridge down to "the lowest point they'd been in years" which was why I was so shocked when the five rabbits who are now in MO were fifteen minutes from euthanization when I called a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully, despite MO HRS's comments that many of their local rabbits are dying in shelters and that they oppose "importing" rabbits from other areas, they will also be willing and able to help in future Chicago area rescues. I would also hope that if, in the future, they have concerns about the care being provided to animals, they will go through legal channels rather than using the methods that were employed in this situation.

I, however, am off for the next six weeks. See you later!

 
BlueFrog wrote:
In fact, (the Mini Rex is) probably the most common breed to go through Chicago Ridge. There must be someone local breeding broken blacks and broken castors. Every single one that's come through has been sweet tempered and stunningly beautiful. They are also nearly unplaceable in this area. I have no earthly clue why, aside from size, because I'd fill my house with them. All fourteen of the rabbits CR/AWL killed last month were broken rexes, and I mourn each and every one.
:tears2: I love my Mini Rex girls, despite their health issues. I can't imagine so many Rexies not finding homes. It breaks my heart because I can't take them all in--though I would in a heartbeat, if it were possible.
 
I was also going to be involved in this run and am an active member of the MO HRS. At the risk of saying too much, I was under the impression that the MO HRS would be more than happy to meet with Leaf. It sounded to me like they would simply like to see the conditions the bunnies were kept in and what kind of education she has and gives to others who adopt from her...they did the same thing to me when I adopted my two. They are truly just looking out for the buns. Leaf, please don't feel like you can't be a part of or work with the MO HRS, they always need help and having someone in your area would be great. The buns are all safe and sound and will now have a chance to be a part of a widely publicized adoption event in two weeks, I will see them myself during the next two weeks and I promise to snuggle them all I can! :)
 

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