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Thanks, Tonyshuman! As my bunny ate yesterday I'll stop giving the pineapple juice. Last thing we want is more gas. My bunny's mouth hasn't been smelling acetone since I started forced-feeding him. Thanks for the probiotics suggestion and the vet school!!!
 
I finally found the probiotic!! It was hard to find it even for human consumption without milk. How much - and how should I administer it to my bunny?

He's been refusing more and more to eat.. I guess it has to do with all the gas in his tummy. When he tries to eat I hear that roaring and right after he REALLY refuses eating more.

Thanks for your help
 
There's really no set dose for probiotics--I use a gel one and I give approximately a gram at a time, once or even twice a day if they're really not feeling well. Is it a dry powder? I'd take a good pinch, like for recipes, and try to dissolve it in water a bit, and then feed via syringe. If you don't have syringes for mouth feeding, an eye dropper will work. You could also stir it into something like a tiny bit of applesauce or pumpkin puree, and see if he'll eat that on his own.

Were you able to find simethicone too?
 
I've been giving him Simethicone but it doesn't seem to help much. My bunny is still bloated... tapping his belly sounds like a bongo.

I guess the bloating is why he refuses to eat even liquids or purees. His belly roars really loud. He doesn't want any food at all. Well, he "wants", but only before seeing or sniffing - whatever it is. He wants paper though... SIGH!!! Massage doesn't help much either.

I'm counting on the probotics. I'll receive them tomorrow or the day after. It's powder. Thanks again for your help. I have a syringe and will give it to him as soon as it's delivered at my home.

I got people here suggesting the weirdest things: Phillips milk of magnesia, olive oil, lemongrass and camomile tea... what do you think? I won't do anything before asking here - I know you're experienced!! I'm still visiting all vets I can, haven't found any decent option.... but will keep on trying!!! THANKS for the support!!
 
if you can get any kind of gas medication in liquid form ( usually sold for infants) with the only active ingredient being simthicone... that would help him.

You may need to go to a pharmacy and read the backs of labels...liquid medication for gas with only simethicone.
 
That's what I've been giving to my bunny - Simethicone (only). I don't know if the medicine itself doesn't work (like our vets, unable to even diagnose a bunny, saying they're "savvy") or what.... I guess nothing works too well in this country, except for carnival... :( I, myself, took painkillers here that never worked, while in the USA they do the job. The bunny is a warrior though, and I won't give up on him.
 
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That's what I've been giving to my bunny - Simethicone (only). I don't know if the medicine itself doesn't work (like our vets, unable to even diagnose a bunny, saying they're "savvy") or what.... I guess nothing works too well in this country, except for carnival... :( I, myself, took painkillers here that never worked, while in the USA they do the job. The bunny is a warrior though, and I won't give up on him.
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Sorry about that I didn't read the very beginning of the post
 
If you have a massage tool or an electric toothbrush, that may help break up the gas bubble. Or put him on top of a running dryer or take him for a car ride.

Mild exercise will help. And the massage may be helping, it could be worse without it.

How much Simethicone are you giving him? You can't give it to him often, but you can give him a lot every hour for three or four hours -- a good 2 CCs of the baby stuff (which is usually a 40 mg suspension) or a crushed adult tablet (60 to 120).

After three or four doses, you have to stop for eight hours or so.


sas :clover:
 
No worries Angieluv! BTW, I LOVE WI!! :)

I was giving 4-7 drops every 8 hs or so, I've been doing this for sort of 5 days then give him some like once a day. I've never yet seen my bunny looking relieved after simethicone, or without the gas noise in his belly. It's constantly there. Maybe our simethicone doesn't work - or I'm not giving enough?

I'm not good with CCs.. how many drops do you think that would be? Or is it something like a tablespoon?

I have an electric toothbrush, what should I do with it?

Can't thank you all enough!!!
 
There are approx 20 drops per ml although upon looking this up I realize that this subject is complicated.

I am wondering if your bun is getting any antibiotics yet. To be honestif his abscess is left untreated this is going to be a losing battle :(
 
For pain relief, definitely use an Ibuprofen-based drug (like Meloxicam) and not the Dipyrone, which can help with the pain but make the infection worse. (Studies on rabbits have proved that). I'm sure they sell Ibuprofen in Brazil if not Meloxicam and your vet should have dosing info, but I don't know the suspension but I would use .4 cc's of Meloxicam on a 5 lb bunny I think, not sure how many drops that is. And if I'm using an Ibuprofen-based drug, I use a quarter of a tab of Children's Motrin, not sure what you have that's the equivalent.

Is your bunny on the Azithromycin already? I do hope so! I'm also recommending the injected penicillin/oral azithromycin combo.

I don't know about the Plasil, it appears to be a combination of a gut motility drug and gas relief? Was he feeling better after the Plasil or the Dipyrone? If it was the Dipyrone, switching to Ibuprofen will be the same. If it was the Plasil, maybe it's a good thing, but really not sure about that one!

Are you giving him simethicone or dimeticone? Simethicone is activated dimethicone and I have no idea if dimethicone works, I just know Simethicone does. It doesn't eliminate the gas, it breaks up the bubbles so they're easier to pass. You have to give rabbits large doses of Simethicone -- probably a teaspoon to a tablespoon full if its a 40 mg suspension. Some kinds will be every hour for three hours, others will be once every eight hours.

The electric toothbush will help break up the bubbles just by running it over his abdomen in a circular motion. The massages should be long -- I've done them for an hour.

Camomile tea is fine, you may want to mix it up with some pellets and see if he'll eat that.

Not sure about the other things suggested though.

How is he doing?


sas :pray:
 
No antibiotics yet - our vets know nothing about them and refuse to give them! :(

My bunny had Plasil only once, it made him eat but felt crappy afterwards.. Randy (from this forum) prescribed Metacam, which we have, but no vets here will give it to my bunny, saying it will make gas worse, it's so frustrating!!

The bunny is "ok", I worry mostly about his refusal to eat his food and decreased quantity of "stuff" produced. The only thing he wants is.. paper..!! I don't want to let him eat it, I don't think it's a good idea - although it'd be something "solid" going to his belly? :O
And he keeps moving his mouth, like "chewing", but no food in it. Maybe 'cause it hurts…? :(

His food has been basically liquid, and about 2 bites of fruits and alfalfa daily :( He can still play, though. I guess anyone hearing a bunny won't eat for almost 2 weeks would think he's not alive anymore. Maybe all the love we give him has to do with it. He knows I'm trying HARD to find a solution. I won't give him to any vet here who can barely speak their mother tongue - all I found so far!!!! :O
When I ask about dental procedures, they say it's risky and my bunny may die.. I'm looking for someone who does this procedure in RABBITS and not only other bigger animals. Also I take account of how many pets I ask about and died. Lots.
I'm praying I find someone skilled here and thank you all for your help. Maybe my bunny wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for you!
 
Are you force feeding? I'm sure this has been covered, but if all you have is mushed up pellets and tea or water, give that to him two or three times a day with a big feeding syringe if he won't eat it out of the bowl. You really have to soak it well.

You can also put his favorite veggies in a blender. I'm sure he's hungry. Once he eats something, you can give him even store-bought Ibuprofen, the pain killer.

I think the Plasil may have Simethicone in it and it helped the gas pain, but then he re-bloated. If he ate after the Plasil and its all the Vet will give you, I'd revisit that.

Check this link, Dana Krempels is very knowledgeable. This rabbit is in Italy, but maybe you have those drugs? You'll find elsewhere that she also recommends the penicillin shots.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Rabbits-703/2008/4/rabbit-teeth-extraction-1.htm

There's no one magic drug, you need a steady minimal regime of feeding, hydration, pain control, gas control, pro-biotics and antibiotics.

A vet specializing in dental on other animals is better than no vet at all. They have the equipment, they can always research online and/or consult with a rabbit specialist on the phone or online.

Let him chew on a cardboard box if he wants to. He won't be able to swallow much of it but it will keep him busy and chewing. Cut a hole in it, make a bunny 'fort'. If he's like my guys, he'll want to 'renovate'.


sas :clover:
 
Wow, nice suggestions!! haha, a fort...

Yes, I've been force feeding like you said. So I can give him ibuprofen? Orally? How much? I thought the only way for pain killers to be given to a bunny was injectable.
I'm "dumping" my vets. Yesterday I went there, they never say anything at all and now started doing nothing at all (even less than before), and I tell them about the indications I get here on the forum and they say "ok" but do NOTHING. Yesterday they made us wait a long time to send us back home. It's clear they don't care. Plus, almost all pets they "treated" die. I'll visit another place today. That's what I've been doing and will do until I find a solution....
 
The probiotics I bought contain lactose (150 mg, same much as lactobacillus casei - 150 mg) - is it ok if I give it to my bunny? I was told not to give anything with milk. Is Lactose the same thing? Is it safe?

I found a place to treat my bunny's teeth. They don't treat or check ANYTHING ELSE though, only teeth, and ONLY UNDER ANESTHESIA, i.e.: they'll put my bunny under anesthesia WITHOUT KNOWING HIS GENERAL CONDITION. And if something goes wrong, they won't take care of him, 'cause they only do the dental work.

Do you think I should have this procedure done tomorrow or wait until their next availability (Mon or Tue), so that I'll have TIME to administer the probiotics and TRY to get my bunny eating again before the procedure?

Nothing here is done properly.. so I'd at least spend 3 more days with my "bun" before..who knows what happens...
I'll follow whatever you say though. The clinic will close soon and I'll have to call them to say when I want to have the procedure done. TOUGH decision!!!!

Suggestions?
 
I would be hesitant to have it done without having a rabbit savvy vet on hand. Perhaps your vet can supervise/monitor the anesthesia. I would talk to your vet first.
 
Darn.. they'll only have availability for tomorrow or THURSDAY of the next week... please pray for my bunny, he'll be in the procedure TOMORROW.

And please let me know if the lactose in the probiotics is ok or not..

THANKS!!
 
This rabbit needs to be on antibiotics probably before and after any procedure ...

never heard of dentistry without thought :?

You are in a predicament ; I almost don't know what to tell you to do...
 
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