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m.e. wrote:
ADD kids don't have an "attention deficit",as the name suggests. If they did they'd never be able to pay attentionto anything. An ADD kid has hyper-attentiveness. Everythingcatches their attention! And some things are more attention-grabbingthan others. The key is to find something productive that they can payattention to and encourage them in it.
I find this very true with Brad. His counselor said the thinghe notices most is when trying to talk to Brad, Brad will pick onething out of an entire sentance(s) and spin off in a whole newdirection from the conversation. He is easily distractedbecause his mind is always spinning and processingeverything. He is also very litteral-you have to watch wordlike "always' and 'never' etc because he will pick up on those wordsand go off in a differant direction explaining to you why "not always"or "not never"

He has not yet found anything that really keeps his interest.I keep hoping he will find his 'thing' but so far no.

what area of the ME/NH border are you near? I live in Central Maine.

Jen
 
Jems said:
He is also verylitteral-you have to watch word like "always' and 'never' etc becausehe will pick up on those words and go off in a differant directionexplaining to you why "not always" or "not never"

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Oh yeah,I know what that's like! Makes you want to pull your hair out sometimes
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He has not yet found anything that really keeps his interest. Ikeep hoping he will find his 'thing' but so far no.

Yeah, not all kids will "click" with something right away, I think wewere just very lucky with Hannah. It's an ever growing and changingthing, and he'll probably surprise you one day and ask if he can dosomething like.....play golf. Of course, it may not be that, butyou get the idea.

what area of the ME/NH border are you near? I live in Central Maine.

I live in the Berwicks ;), bout ten minutes from the border. Go tochurch, work and shop in the Dover/Somersworth/Rochester area. Go toschool in Portland/Saco/Sanford/Gorham (gotta love the multiplecampuses). Volunteer and take the animals to the vet in Kennebunk. I'mall over the place! :D
 
Jems, Who are his counselors? are they schoolor medical personnel? The reason I ask is that it is verylate at 14 to be finding ADD/ADHD.

My son was in 3rd grade when he was diagnosed with ADHD.He is not Hyper the H is for impulsivity. He would do thingslike shout out the teachers name instead of raising his hand when heknew the rules and all. He couldn't stop himself.

He is also very intelligent (very common with children of thisnature) and with that he likes to be perfect. If he couldn'tbe perfect he shut down. "I can't be sure to do this paperexactly right so I can't do it at all!"

With all of that info.... he has done very well with medications inlow dose until he hit puberty. He is 13 (children with adhdoften hit puberty early) and since last year we have struggled with hisprescriptions. The combination of hormones flooding his bodyand the attention issues are too much to try to handle. Weare actually seeking out help from a pharmacuetical specialist in hopesto find the right medication to help with his focus, and still allowhis jubulant personality to shine through. I can't tell youhow many people say "oh he's such a different person when he's not onmedication!" It's very obvious.

I said I would never allow a label or medications. When wegot both the testing done and found he was classic ADHD and a genius,the suggestion of the Child Psychologist was medication via a qualifieddoctor, we did it. His life changed for a longtime. I would not take that time back and not help him withthe medicines, but I sure am having trouble right now knowing what todo.

Good luck with your son, be sure to get a good Child's Psychologicalevaluation and know who you are dealing with. If they arerecommended by others, etc. Our Psychologist knew her stuff,she had done her thesis in school on how children didn't needmedications..... her mind was changed! LOL She learned thatthere were issues that were not behavioral.

There are also several disorders that mimic or intertwine in thisarea. That is my concern. There is ODD, ADD, GAD,and others that can have symptoms of each when a child has thedisorder.

Positive and immediate praise is the first key to helping childrenwith these disorders. Our first encouragement for him inschool became an adopted procedure there and given out as advice forothers by his doctors. His teacher and I came up with it andit was so simple. If he did the 3 things he needed to eachday, he got a piece of bubble gum (I provided her) at the end of theday. He had to complete his daily tasks, not say "I can't"and be able to find things in his desk (they are verydisorganized)..... he never missed a piece of bubble gum that wholeyear! :)

If he doesn't have hobbies, make SURE he gets some! Notjust the games and stuff but 4H, models, something.... I can explainmore if you like.

I won't go on here, or I would write a book (here's the firstchapter!) but if you ever need help or have questions, you are mostwelcome to pm me at anytime.. (that's true for anyone with this as anissue). I have done much research and gained a lot ofinformation. I don't have all the answers as you can tell,but I am more than happy to attempt to help! :)

Jems wrote:
Thanks Raspberry,

No he doesn't do anything to need moneyexcept on rare occasions he will ask to go to the movies with afriend. He has a PS2 he shares with his brother but seldom dothey use it. He has been in counseling for a while and hiscounselor suggested the other day he be evaluated for ADD/ADHD becausehe has a hard time keeping him on task to work throughanything. I will have him evaluated I guess but am unsureabout wether I want him medicated or not. On one hand if ithelps him be more focused in school and do better it would be good buton the other hand I don't want him labled either. I don'tknow. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come toit. -Thanks

Jen
 
m.e. wrote:
Jems said:
He has not yetfound anything that really keeps his interest. I keep hoping he willfind his 'thing' but so far no.
Yeah, not all kids will "click" with something right away, I think wewere just very lucky with Hannah. It's an ever growing and changingthing, and he'll probably surprise you one day and ask if he can dosomething like.....play golf. Of course, it may not be that, butyou get the idea.
NOO not golf!!!:shock:Anything but golf. He plays football,basketball, and baseball and I can watch those but I have no interestin golf and as the supportive mom I try to be I would have to watchgolf-ugh!! LOL yea I get the idea, but I still hope its not golf.
what area of the ME/NH border are you near? I live in Central Maine.
I live in the Berwicks ;), bout ten minutes from the border. Go tochurch, work and shop in the Dover/Somersworth/Rochester area. Go toschool in Portland/Saco/Sanford/Gorham (gotta love the multiplecampuses). Volunteer and take the animals to the vet in Kennebunk. I'mall over the place! :D
My brother and his family used to live inGorham. Now they live in Chester NH :( -hate having them sofar away.
 
m.e. wrote:

The thing is, ADD kids grow up into some of the mostinteresting and intelligent people you'll meet. Because of the waytheir mind works, they often have a real depth of knowledge in onearea, and grow up to be very skilled and creative in that field.



How true this is!!! The children whohave this "disorder" are the great thinkers to come! They aretrying to struggle through a "box" of an educational system until theycan gain the knowledge they need to move on in life to be free to thinkoutside of that box!
 
hi Bo B,

His counselor is a licensed clinical psycologist who I take him tobecause at 14 I still cannot leave him home alone (or withhis brother) after dark and when I do leave him home I need to staylocal. If he knows I am going to be out of town (more then 15or 20 mins away) he freaks out and has absolute horrors. Hehas very high anxiety.

The counseloris becoming frustrated because, to keep Bradfocused and on track to work on any issue is nearyimpossible. I know it's kind of late to be diagnosed but ithas been going on for a while. I am in constant contact withthe school because he is not getting his work done, or passedin. Often he does the work but loses it before it's time topass it in. This has been going on since at least 3rd or 4thgrade. The kid is so unorganized it is not funny.His teachers every so often give him a trash can and tell him to spendpart of his class or study hall cleaning out his locker because it issuch a mess he can't find anything.

He is often described as lazy, unmotivated and unattentive by histeachers but they all say he is very capable of doing the work if theycan keep him on task long enough to finish an assignment. Heis actually quite intelligent. He can completely wire a housefor electricity with no problems but very easily distracted and headedin another direction.

He did try boyscouts but lost interest because he had to work to earnthe badges and that sometimes meant studying.I amnot familiar with the ODD,and GAD, that youlisted. I know some about ADD/ADHD.

Thanks for the info I will keep it all in mind as we trudge down thisnew road. Thanks also for being willing to answer anyquestions I may come up with as I am sure there will beplenty.

Jen
 
Yep, sounds like my son! They areintelligent enough to mask it for a time then it shows up worse andworse as they get older. My son's was caught not due togrades but due to his "emotional" and "organizational" issues.

Everything you describe is classic for children with ADHD.They mature slower in a mental way as you describe and all that too.

My son was TERRIBLY and I mean TERRIBLY afraid of bees andstorms. We had to send him to counseling for that after hewas diagnosed. Now, he's wanting to become a researchmeteorologist! A STORM CHASER lol!

ODD is oppositional defiant disorder and GAD is General anxietydisorder. There are several others as I have said....dislexia, turrets, etc. Each of these can intertwine withineach other with one main disorder. Think of the olympicrings.... one major circle with the others showing up within.....

Not all kids will show any signs of the others, but some will showmany. A child I know with GAD as the primary disorder showssigns of ADHD within his other problems.




 
Hey all, I'mstepping back into the conversation. I've briefly read through all yourposts but didn't stay on any of them for long for one reason. I havesomething I want to say and don't want to be overly familiar with anyparticular situation as to upset anyone....Probably stepping right intoit here...I've been through a lot of history on some of thesedisorders. Most recently, RAD.None of them with my ownchildren, but with my sister and her family as shehas been afoster parent for numerouschildren and then adopted two ofthem. Also, with several of my very close friends. I'd like to add mytwo cents worth from outside of the box. I feel like M.E is dead onwith a lot of her observations/comments by the way.I'd alsolike to add that I'm totally aware that living with achildwith these problems is different than experiencing itthrough family and friends. ;)There isa hugemovement in this nation to "label" for lack of abetter"it"word all kinds of people. Not just kids either. It'shappening to plenty of adults. I think it was Bothatmentioned an age awareness. I know several people who arein divorcecounseling that are being told they are ADD or RAD.Wehear more and more studies all the time about how manypeople are abused, how many people come from teen pregnancy, how manypeople come from split families, lower incomes, no medical coverage, nocollege education, didn't get a hug, maybe they didn't get milk andcookies enough......you get my point....Life has been analyzed down toa degree that is ridiculous. Life is life. Everyone, everywhere has"quirks" that's what makes humans human. And it onlymakessense that a lot of those quirks and responses to themwouldbe similar in similar circumstances.That doesn'tmean all of us have a disorder! I do believe that there arelegitimate cases of these disorders where counseling and behaviormodification can work miracles. I believe that for children beginningwith limiting their exposure to video and tv stimulation and lettingthem go outside to play, works miracles. Let them use their muscles toget tired. Learn about fairness, compassion, good sportsmanship,creativity and imagination. Outdoors in the fresh air, not in front ofa big box with flashing lights that overstimulates the neurons in theirbrains and makes it even more difficult for them to pay attention to ahuman conversation. Good, healthy food. Plenty ofsleep.Okay, I also believe there are situationswheremedications are helpful. But you have to really researchthese meds. Don't justask your doctor and read the RXpamphlet. Go to the library, get online, read some magazines. This isyour kid! Look at the phenfen and Vioxx drugdeaths right now.Perfect examples. I've seen kids on these drugs. Yes they make themmore able to function in class or in the family but they have sideeffects. People must understand there is a trade off. There aresituations where that is the only choice and the bestchoice.But encourage your friends to research this stuff.Truly I have a girl friend whose husband researched info on purchasinga new car more than he didthediagnosisofRAD and the effects of the drugs the doctors wanted to puthiskid on! :X

RaspberrySwirl
 
Very good and thoughtful post, raspberry!

There is a lot to be said for excercise! I SO agree with you onthat! Children now don't get out and run to chase firefliesbecause they might get west nile from the skeeters...... The sun isharmful to the skin so daylight isn't a very good option for longperiods of time ..... etc., etc.,..... it's like everything is going tokill us...... :?

My kids do so much better when they are out late playing, ridinghorses, working in a barn, etc.,.... I think today's kidsarehaving problemsbecause they aresednitary. They've already done one study on the televisionstimulation of infants. They say it contributes or is asymptom of children with add.....
 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
They've already done one study on the television stimulation ofinfants. They say it contributes or is a symptom of children withadd.....

I researched television's effect on the developing brain for a HumanGrowth and Devlopment class, and I will tell you from my knowledge ofthis issue, television viewing absolutely changes the development andwiring of an infant/toddler/child's brain. I personally wouldn't letany child of mine under the age of two near a TV, and not more than anhour a day from ages 3-11. :? The more you learn about the developingbrain, the more it becomes evident that it is extremelysensitive to any type of input. TV has been shown to cause permanentchanges in the way children are wired for seeing, hearing, bodymovement, attention span and overall interaction with theirsurroundings.
 
Interesting! Infact, it's very strangebecause my son, who has Adhd as I have said, was very very interestedin TV as a baby and toddler. I figured it was ok since hewatched things like sesame street and knew his letters and numbers bysite at 18 mos old. People were amazed.....

He's a genius, and cannot be fully tested for "visual" learningabilities. They tested him at 8 years old and he did all thetests through high school and got 100%...... he's off the chartsthere..... He learns best when given visuals.

What I truly believe is that some people just aren't round pegs and thesquare ones don't fit into the educational system as we know it.

He has benefits of early learning.... which included more than justt.v..... books, songs, play.... but right now it can be a bit of astruggle dealing with the school and their learningsituations. He doesn't get rowdy or anything but he does getbored with school work. With his visual ability, he has a"photographic" memory. Once it's shown to him, he gets it,"let's move on".....
 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
What I truly believe is that some people just aren't roundpegs and the square ones don't fit into the educational system as weknow it.
Couldn't agree with you more! My cousin is having a hard time in schoolright now; he's a very intelligent kid, you'd just be amazed at what heknows if you get to talking with him. But he has a slow reaction time.The teacher will ask him something and he won't respond right away, andhe get's penalized. He also has a hard time translating all that's inhis head into writing on paper (though he could tell you clearlyand concisely). A lot of times, schools are geared toward one type ofstudent and learning style (he's in a very, very small Vermont townwith one school). So if Jess doesn't learn and perform the way theother kids do, he get's left behind. Not that he's not as smart, hejust does it differently. It's unfortunate, too, because he's reallystarting to feel like he's a "dumb" kid :(.
 
Buck Jones wrote:
You do seem to have an interesting spin on so manytopics, m.e. I do so enjoy reading your posts. Soglad you are here amongst us.

Buck
Awwww, thanks Buck! :DYou can ask Christine: when it comes tothese parenting topics especially, I'm very opinionated. And I don'teven have kids yet! :pBut there's no time like the present tostart thinking about it, I suppose.
 
We live in a verysmall town with 2 elementary schools, one junior high, and one highschool, but it's a "suburb" town if you will of a large city. When mykids were small my son attended what's called a "magnet" school there.They are schools that are based on individual education plans. Eachchild in each class moves at their own pace. Some very slowly, somevery quickly. Each magnet school had a theme. Art, music, etc. Ours wasenvironmental. We loved it. We spent hours outdoors on field trips. Theclasses all had environmental issues/lessons at the core of learning.Even if that meant that the math questions meant using frogs andcattails, see what I mean? The children has much freedom to movearound, learn in the manner best suited to them, not boxed in so tospeak. They were graded on a graph according to their own improvements,not against other students. My son took off in this environment! In20/20 hindsight I wish I'd left himin thatprogramthrough out his school years. We moved and I put himinto our small town system in the 2nd grade. Hehas alwaysbeenlike Bo's son. 99%on ITBS tests all his life.Scored out of the park on all standardized tests. Honor roll throughmiddle school. By the 5th grade he was scoring at the 12th grade levelin reading, language arts, etc. He also tested at a genius level. Theproblem was, he never, ever had to study. He finished his classworkquickly, got boredwith what was happening inclassand read abook orwould sit and draw. It pissed offa lot of the teachers. Itseemed to aggravatethemeven more that he was a clean cut, articulate, respectfulkid who was so full of untapped potential and they'd only get glimpsesof it every now and then. He just wasn't interested. When something didinterest him, the papers he'd write or the projects he'd complete wouldmake mine andthe teachersheads spin. They wereamazing! He received one of the highest ACT scores in our region lastyear. Was offered tons of awesome scholarships and couldn't decide whathe wanted to do so he stayed here locally. The first paper he wrote forhis college English course was returned to him with a note that said itwas the best paper ever received by this professor by an undergraduate!Then the professor pulled him to the side and asked who his high schoolteacher had been and later called her! But the new wore off quickly inCollege too. He still doesn't know what he wants to do with hislife...nothing challenges him...everything is boring...

Now that I've gone through that long story. I'd like to mention my sonis a video game addict. He has played video games to border lineobsession from the time that he got old enough for it to becomedifficult for me to restrict it. As a young child I limited histelevision, snacks, bad word exposure, chemicals...blah, blah,blah....when he began playing video games I limited the time he playedthem. As they get older and go to other kids homes, spend the nights,you don't know what they are doing. I know as he got into middle schooland high school he was playing them for hours a day (I didn't know itthen) when he wasn't in football season. I'm telling you, too much ofthese things is a bad, bad thing. M.E. might be able to use the rightwords, I can't remember what it is but there is something about the waythe brain begins to expect quick movement to keep it's attentionfocused. When you compare the bazillions of rapid movements a minute ofa video game to the slow pace of a human voice, reading, or just normalliving, it doesn't hold the interest of that brain anymore. It's beenscientifically proven! So, you can have a genius kid from a greatfamily and do almost everything right, and still end up with someserious dysfunction from an excess of any one thing!

Raspberry
 
Boy did we get way off topic here-anyway-Iappreciate everyones opinion and like I said before I am not suremedication is the answer for my son but.... He is limited onhow much tv he watches and more particuarly WHAT he watches.We don't have cable or satalite so his choices are limited.At 14 I have to review some pg 13 movies before he can be allowed towatch them. He will be unable to sleep for a week if there isso much as a reference to murder, rape, or any other violentcrime.

Ever since my kids were old enough they have been encouraged, to thepoint of pushing, to be active in sports. I tell them theyhave to do a sport or other 'active' activity.They are free to pick which one they want. They stick withthe basics but are both baseball, basketball, and footballplayers. They spend most of thier summers at the local Rectaking swimming lessons, and getting exposure to other sports by takinga couple weeks of lessons in tennis, lacrosse, etc. The tvusually doesn't come on at my house until 7:30 or 8 and the kids go tobed at 9. They are usually out 4-wheeling with thier friends,playing ball with the neighborhood kids, building snow forts (now thatwe have that dreaded white stuff). Brad is harder to convinceto go out and do something but will get there andis alwayswilling to go to my parents and work around thier house.

I agree that the world tends to over analize life these days and peopleare oftenbeing labled for something or another willingly ornot. My brother was married to a woman who convinced him hewas abused as a child because he, my other brother and myself sometimesfought as kids.

Raspberry-I take no offence to anything you said. I valueeveryone's opinion and the more knowledge I have will better help memake the (I hope) right choice if and when I need to make a decision asto how to handle this.
 
Jems, I sure hopeyou don't take offense! I certainly wasn't directing anything I said atyou in particular. If you browse through this entire thread you willfind that we've wandered all over the place! In fact, if you browsethrough my posts you will find that it's characteristic of me, ingeneral to wander! :?My family says it's because of my WestNile brain damage...I don't think that's very nice! :X

Raspberry
 
Im glad my dad hasnt posted. It wouldnt be apretty sight if i found out he was talking about me. Guys just rememberyour kids DO have access to this website and they CAN read what youwrite about them.
 
I luV MaH BuNs, Iwould never speak to other people about my childrenif mychildren wouldn't want me to. If there were something my kidsconsidered private and personal enough that they didn't want it to beshared, I wouldn't share it. My family is very open and enjoys thesekinds of discussions. With my oldest kids being 17, 18, 19 and 23, weoften have lively conversation full of varied opinions. In fact theyoften include a house full of their friends as well. Of course I knowmy kids have access to this web site. I often invite them to sit downand browse through the latest posts! :)

RaspberrySwirl
 
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