Since this all started with my dog, I feel I should weigh in a little. I don't really know how I feel about Cesar. I've never really watched the show and I didn't train my dog the way that he trains dogs, nor have I ever trained a dog like that. Honestly, I can't get passed his tiny little attitude filled body to watch that show. I think that his methods work for some dogs and some personalities. But I think that it depends on different dogs needing different training methods. My mom loves that guy, she tries to teach her chihauhauh the way he does and the dog gets scared and cowers away. It doesn't work on him. It would also not work on my dog. He is a little skittish, because he came from my constantly yelling FIL. He is a dingo, so he has a high prey drive. He also herds our chickens and cats, but never my son or rabbit. He listens like there is no tomorrow, he responds to just my snapping. I can say his name one time when he's out and he'll come back to me. He was never aggressive until the other evening when he snapped. But that was an isolated incident and it hasn't happened since, nor do I believe it will happen again. I'm now taking measures to prevent it from ever happening. As for Cesar, he is all a matter of opinion. Everyone could go back and forth all day saying they love him or they hate him or they're indifferent. I think Lauren said something about dogs forming dog packs when they have to, that is completely true. If you go into the mountains of NC, TN or WV; you'll find all kinds of domestic dogs turned wild, running in packs to survive. We have a close family friend who grew up in the hills of WV and he said that people would just let their dogs loose, and eventually the dogs started to band together and they would terrorize the hills. Like to the point where you would have to kill them, because they would come at you like you where their prey. They went from someones dog to a completely wild animal. I guess that would be evolution.