This is a problem that needs to be talked about, because it was never solved and the shelters never stop to be overcrowded. Some people want us to forget about it and stop thinking about it, the reason being that are the very people who feel guilty because they are irresponsible with their pets. There is NO other reason to advocate amateur breeding, under any pretext. Birth pain being natural? How does that excuse millions of babies being thrown in rivers and abandoned in dumpster? People not accepting other views than their own? For real? Saying stop breeding bunnies because even the most expensive breeds of litter trained, house broken bunnies end up killed in shelters is only trying to protect future pets. And also doing the human genre a favor too. We don't need to irresponsibly, selfishly waste more animals lives!! We already kill enough for our own life style comfort!!Giving birth is painful for a woman but new babies are born every second do you think it is just because modern medicine still can't clon them? Pain is a part of life process but I think we are slightly off-topic here already and OP just lost interest in this thread long ago.