Continued: Vet...

[Xila]

CURRENT QUESTIONS:

THis is my schedule to introducking BunBun to the carrior:

1st day- Set up the carrior like it's going to be set up on the trip there.Leave the carrior there for a while, to let him explore it.

2nd + 3rd day- Get him in the carrior and leave him in there for 5 minutes or so. Praise him, and let him out.

4th day- Keep him in the carrior for10 minutes or so. Praise and let out.

5th day- Keep him in the carrior for 10 minutes or so- carry the carrior around during this time, to get him used to the "feel" of traveling in it. Praise, and let out.

6th day to day of the Neuter- Keep him in the carrior for fifteen minutes, while carrying the carrior around.

Is this okay..? And when I say carry it around, I mean, of course, keeping the shaking/rocking to a minimum.


And:

They also say "No food or water after Midnight on Thursday"... Should I just disregard that? I'm sure that a rabbit not eating for eight+ hours can have some very ill effects. They do this because they don't want the rabbit choking on the food and water under the anestetic. But, of course, we all know rabbits can't vomit... So, umm...


Some of you may remember my last topic: http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=32929&forum_id=1

Well, I got over my shyness and called. Could you guys look over their answers and tell me what you think?
these are the same "[url]http://www.drkreger.com[/url]" people.

Also, turns out Dr. Kreger is a guy. I thought he was a girl...

When I asked for the rabbit specialist, "Hillary" answered.




[align=center]About how many rabbit clients do you see a year?
50-70[/align]


[align=center]How often do you spay/neuter rabbits?
About 10 times a year[/align]


[align=center]What was the success rate?
100%[/align]


[align=center]What will I need to do to prepare my rabbit for surgery?
Make sure he’s healthy[/align]


[align=center]Will I have to do anything special after the surgery?
Keep his litter box clean, make sure the incision stays clean.[/align]


[align=center]How do you close the incision?
Suture(?) Material (Dissolvable stitches)[/align]


[align=center]How soon after a Neuter can my rabbit come home?
Next day (They keep him to make sure he wakes up okay)[/align]


[align=center]Do you do Open or Closed neuters?
Open[/align]


[align=center]What’s the difference?
(She had put me on hold and check)
"It just means how deep the cut into the rabbit"[/align]


[align=center]Do you requite the withholding of food and water before the rabbit's neuter?
No[/align]


[align=center]What anesthetics are used?
This is interesting:[/align]


[align=center]She didn’t know. (they didn’t neuter/spay frequently enough to just pull the name off the top of their heads) I said she could check, if she wanted. She said that the surgeon just went into surgery, so she couldn’t ask. Does anyone else think it’s weird that she is the rabbit specialist, but not the surgeon? Maybe she is in the rabbit’s surgery, too, but she’s not the main surgeon…? I don’t know. I THINK Dr. Kreger is the surgeon.[/align]


[align=center]How long do your recommend I wait before I let my rabbit out of his cage again?
It really depends on how he feels[/align]


[align=center]Do you do an examination before and after the neuter?
Before, yes, and they keep him after to make sure he wakes up okay[/align]


[align=center]Do you do rabbit checkups?
Yes- $47.67[/align]


[align=center]Do you clip nails?
Yes- $13.97 if you’re doing it with something else(IE- a checkup), $25.35 if you came in just for that. (That's outrageous!)[/align]


[align=center]What do you do or check at a checkup?
Heart rate, temperature, ears, nose, general appearance, respiration… Possibly more- she was talking kind of fast, and I'm a slow writer.[/align]


[align=center]Do you send home Pain meds after surgery? (Neuter)
No. (Other than the number of neuters they do a year, this is the other iffy thing.)[/align]


[align=center]About how long have you been spaying/neutering rabbits?
She said HE (Dr. Kreger?) has been doing it for 20+ years[/align]
And I do know some basic stuff, too, like make sure he's calm/relaxed, don't make things too stressful for him, etc. Feel free to post other things I should know.

My mom said that they are probably the best I'm going to find... She said I shouldn't be concerned about the number of neuter/spays, and she was really surprised at the number of clients a year... Please keep in mind where I live, where people don't keep rabbits as pets, usually... If you know what I mean...

But, than again, this is the same mom who has a firm belief domestic rabbits can survive in the wild, so...

She also protested against calling, because "most of the questions were insulting/unnecessary", and during the whole idea of calling, she had this "If he says he neuters rabbits, he neuters rabbits. Just take him in- it can't be that different than neutering a cat or dog." kind of attitude.

Eh. You get used to her.

So...? Yay or nay?

~Xila

 

[pla725]

I wonder if Hillary was a vet tech that just happened to have some knowledge about rabbits.

My vet has taken on more exotics clients including rabbits and guinea pigs. I know she does more neuters and spays on dogs and cats but I'm confident in her skill. I would push for metacam for at least 2 days. Some rabbits just need it more than others.

I would also ask what type of anesthesia they use.

 

[twich]

Personally I'd think if she was a rabbit specialist, surgeon or not... She should be able to name at least one mediation they would use to put a rabbit under. But if they have a good success rate, that's a good thing.

I don't, however, agree with this line here (found on the website): "For example, they have lower 'running expenses', and do not tolerate games of chase."

I've had more rabbits who initiate games of chase by nipping my foot and darting off (and coming back to do it again if I don't get up to chase them) than I have had rabbits not want to play chase.

 

[Xila]

pla725 wrote:

I wonder if Hillary was a vet tech that just happened to have some knowledge about rabbits.
Probably. =/

My vet has taken on more exotics clients including rabbits and guinea pigs. I know she does more neuters and spays on dogs and cats but I'm confident in her skill. I would push for metacam for at least 2 days. Some rabbits just need it more than others.
Yeah, I think that's the case here, too. My mom probably wouldn't want me to "push for Medicam"... She has this kind of "If they don't offer it, don't pester them for it." personality. Perhaps she doesn't get how painful it would be to have someone cut you open and... remove things.

I would also ask what type of anesthesia they use.
I did ask, but I think I'll ask again if I call later.

twich wrote:

Personally I'd think if she was a rabbit specialist, surgeon or not... She should be able to name at least one mediation they would use to put a rabbit under. But if they have a good success rate, that's a good thing.
Yeah, true. Plus, that's just the number of neuters and spays done in a year... And they've been doing it for 20+ years... Surly they have a decent amount of experiance.

I don't, however, agree with this line here (found on the website): "For example, they have lower 'running expenses', and do not tolerate games of chase."

I've had more rabbits who initiate games of chase by nipping my foot and darting off (and coming back to do it again if I don't get up to chase them) than I have had rabbits not want to play chase.
Yeah,I think they just put that as a generalism- so that they don't have some ignorant person let their rabbit out and chase it around, than sue them when their rabbit dies of a heart attack.

I forgot to add:

~ The reason I'm even consiteringthisvetis because there literally is no other local options. The closest vet on the rabbit savvy list is 2+ hours away.

~ The reason that there is such a low number of clients is because, like said, People around here don't typically raise rabbits as pets... If you know what I mean.

A sad but true fact.


~Xila

 

[Bo B Bunny]

A lot of times they "field" calls through the tech or someone who is the "specialist" in that area. HOWEVER, our vet had an assistant vet in her practice when I got Bo and he did the rabbit visits but she did the surgeries. He was very good, but she is excellent and with a rabbit it's so important things are done right.

He was fine for evaluating and such, as is she, but she needed to be available for the birds, and reptiles.

Also, just fyi - Bo didn't get meds sent home with him, but she gave him medicine that would encourage eating and good pain meds before he left. He slept and laid around on me the rest of that day (about 12 hours) and was up and moving around the following day. He was fine. A girl, I would want something for her pain cause it's so much more invasive. Our vet agreed. I completely and thoroughly LOVE my vet.

I would guess that 50 to 70 rabbits per year is a good number. I think they'll be fine honestly.

 

[golfdiva]

If he has been spaying/neutering 10 rabbits a year for 20 years, that's 200 surgeries! And w/ 100% success! Pretty good I'd say!

I think you are right to ask questions first.

Hershey did not get pain meds sent home w/ him either. They gave him something at the vets that was long lasting. He didn't stay over night. So if yours is staying overnight, maybe s/he will not need pain meds by then.

 

[Xila]

Bo B Bunny wrote:

A lot of times they "field" calls through the tech or someone who is the "specialist" in that area. HOWEVER, our vet had an assistant vet in her practice when I got Bo and he did the rabbit visits but she did the surgeries. He was very good, but she is excellent and with a rabbit it's so important things are done right.
Yeah, I think this "Hillary" person was justan assistant or something.

He was fine for evaluating and such, as is she, but she needed to be available for the birds, and reptiles.

Also, just fyi - Bo didn't get meds sent home with him, but she gave him medicine that would encourage eating and good pain meds before he left. He slept and laid around on me the rest of that day (about 12 hours) and was up and moving around the following day. He was fine. A girl, I would want something for her pain cause it's so much more invasive. Our vet agreed. I completely and thoroughly LOVE my vet.
Okay.. so he'll probably be okay with not getting sent home with meds?

I would guess that 50 to 70 rabbits per year is a good number. I think they'll be fine honestly.
Thanks.

golfdiva wrote:

If he has been spaying/neutering 10 rabbits a year for 20 years, that's 200 surgeries! And w/ 100% success! Pretty good I'd say!
Thanks, I guess it is good.

I think you are right to ask questions first.
I wish my family felt the same.

Hershey did not get pain meds sent home w/ him either. They gave him something at the vets that was long lasting. He didn't stay over night. So if yours is staying overnight, maybe s/he will not need pain meds by then.
Thanks. The only thing I'm wondering, is, if he gets neutered early in the morning, like, when theplace first opens,does he still stay overnight? That seems a bit unnessary... And what if he gets neutered right bafore theplace closes? Nobody is going to be there, anyway... why not just send him home?

Well... This place does seem to be a good place.

So, final question: Should I call and schedule a neuter? I'm thinking so... So far, nobody has said anything that bad.

(I did get a "no" on the poll, but they didn't say why, so I'm not counting them... They probably didn't take into concern where I live, and the purpose of rabbits around here- thus making Rabbit medical care in pretty low demand.)



I'm still not sure of their hours.

If I do call to schedule a neuter, I'm going to ask for:

-Their hours.
-That question on "what if he gets neutered really early/really late- is staying overnight still nessessary?"
-What anethetics they use
-If I need to bring a bag of his food/hay (they said they keep him over night to make sure he eats.)
-Anything else I think of between now and when/if I call


~Xila

 

[Alexah]

I'm not going to go into a long drawn out post because I don't feel as though I have enough expertise in this area, but I would honestly call back and ask to speak with the surgeon if you're having any lingering concerns or doubts. My gut says that your bunny will be just fine, but sometimes it's just as wise to trust our instincts.

Either way, good luck and let us know what you decide and what happens.

 

[pla725]

You are right to ask these questions. I asked the vet directly while I was there on a visit.

If they do the surgery early I pick up the bun after work. I've done that with my fosters as well. I only had one time with fosters that the vet waited until the afternoon to do the surgery. They had to stay overnight. Someone else picked them up in the morning.

I always bring small bags of pellets, veggies and hay for the rabbit.I figured they preferred to eatwhatI bring. Some vetswill have food available.

 

[tonyshuman]

I wanted to add some comments to clarify stuff: the whole "games of chase" business is probably in regards to paying--they probably require payment sooner than other vets (ie on the same day that the animal is seen, or very limited installment payment plans). It seems to me that this is a warning that if you don't pay your bill soon, they're going to send it to a collection agency who will hurt your credit score and/or harrass you to pay. If you're considering paying right after the neuter, it shouldn't be a problem.

The dissolvable stitches are what Benjamin had for his recent neuter. They're just like normal thread stitches, but they eventually just dissolve so that you don't have to go back to have them taken out. I actually had them when I had my wisdom teeth removed. There's also a suture (that word means "stitch") glue-type stuff that they can use to seal up the wound that will dissolve over time. These are good things to use!

I think you still need to know what type of anesthetic they use, but considering that they do so many each year with good success, it's probably fine. I'm a little iffy about them keeping the bunny overnight--that can be really expensive, may be a little unneccessary, and are you sure that they have a staff member there at all times of the night to keep an eye on him? Also, Benjamin was sent home with 3-4 days worth of pain meds, which may not be neccessary for a neuter, but you might want to ask if they CAN give you pain meds. I'm not sure he needed them, but I think he was in some pain and they helped with that.

This person that you talked to really isn't a specialist. They must be a receptionist or technician, because an expert would know all of those questions you asked. It's fine that they didn't let you talk directly to the doctor on the phone, but if that peeves you, don't go. Vets are busy, but if you feel put off by it, go somewhere else. (kind of what Alexah said).

Good luck!

 

[Xila]

Alexah wrote:

I'm not going to go into a long drawn out post because I don't feel as though I have enough expertise in this area, but I would honestly call back and ask to speak with the surgeon if you're having any lingering concerns or doubts. My gut says that your bunny will be just fine, but sometimes it's just as wise to trust our instincts.
Thanks.

Either way, good luck and let us know what you decide and what happens.
I will.

pla725 wrote:

You are right to ask these questions. I asked the vet directly while I was there on a visit.

If they do the surgery early I pick up the bun after work. I've done that with my fosters as well. I only had one time with fosters that the vet waited until the afternoon to do the surgery. They had to stay overnight. Someone else picked them up in the morning.
Thanks. I'm definatly going to ask about that.

I always bring small bags of pellets, veggies and hay for the rabbit.I figured they preferred to eatwhatI bring. Some vetswill have food available.
I'm going to bring something like that, too. Also,I'm going to bringa shirt or sock of mine that I've worn. Just something he can snuggle upby so he doesn't get too lonely...

tonyshuman wrote:

I wanted to add some comments to clarify stuff: the whole "games of chase" business is probably in regards to paying--they probably require payment sooner than other vets (ie on the same day that the animal is seen, or very limited installment payment plans). It seems to me that this is a warning that if you don't pay your bill soon, they're going to send it to a collection agency who will hurt your credit score and/or harrass you to pay. If you're considering paying right after the neuter, it shouldn't be a problem.
Maybe. Either way, I intend to pay when I'm there.

The dissolvable stitches are what Benjamin had for his recent neuter. They're just like normal thread stitches, but they eventually just dissolve so that you don't have to go back to have them taken out. I actually had them when I had my wisdom teeth removed. There's also a suture (that word means "stitch") glue-type stuff that they can use to seal up the wound that will dissolve over time. These are good things to use!
Thanks. I'm not sure which they use- once she said "a suture material", and another time she sail "dissolving stitches"...

I think you still need to know what type of anesthetic they use, but considering that they do so many each year with good success, it's probably fine. I'm a little iffy about them keeping the bunny overnight--that can be really expensive, may be a little unneccessary, and are you sure that they have a staff member there at all times of the night to keep an eye on him? Also, Benjamin was sent home with 3-4 days worth of pain meds, which may not be neccessary for a neuter, but you might want to ask if they CAN give you pain meds. I'm not sure he needed them, but I think he was in some pain and they helped with that.
Yeah, the type of anethetic that they use is on my asking list. Yeah, I'm thinking keeping him overnight can be a bit unnessary. I mean, A few hours after the surgery to make sure he wakes up okay, I can understand- But overnight? I don't think it's really going to make any difference. If he's eating and healthy an hour after the surgery, he's probably not just going to randomly die a few hours later... And that's also what I mean by the "What if he gets neutered right before the place closes?" question, since nobody is going to be there anyway, why not just let him come home?
I'll probably ask for some Metacam when I pick him up.

This person that you talked to really isn't a specialist. They must be a receptionist or technician, because an expert would know all of those questions you asked. It's fine that they didn't let you talk directly to the doctor on the phone, but if that peeves you, don't go. Vets are busy, but if you feel put off by it, go somewhere else. (kind of what Alexah said).
No, I don't really mind. If I was doing a surgery, I wouldn't want a 12-year-old pestering me with questions, either.

Good luck!
Thanks.

 

[Bo B Bunny]

Bo had the dissolvable stitches too and they worked great!

I would ask them if you schedule and get him done first thing, if you couldn't pick him up late during their day. Bo was that way and because he was so easy and good when he woke up - she called me and said I could pick him up anytime.... that was at NOON! I left him til the kids got home I think at about 3 pm.

If it's a difficult neuter, like a testicle that hasn't come down or they have to go in after..... I would want the pain meds. Tell them that you want to know if there is anything that happens and that you'd like at least 2 or 3 doses just incase. If they don't carry it - which i would think they should - could they write you an Rx to get it someplace that does carry it. (I live where there is an apothacary within 1/2 hour - they actually mix the drugs there).

I would also go in, tell them that you aren't being rude or anything but you love your bunny and know that bunnies are very unique and you want the best care for him.

When I saw our vet the first time with Bo - he was in shock at how much I knew. He said most people don't know anything when they get them. I didn't either but learned real quick! LOL! Bo was about 2 mos old then.

Now, he just sees the woman vet and she has a new woman vet asst but..... I don't really like her as much - still she's good.

 

[Xila]

Bo B Bunny wrote:

Bo had the dissolvable stitches too and they worked great!
Thanks for the input- so far, nobody has said anything bad about them, so I guess they are okay. =3

I would ask them if you schedule and get him done first thing, if you couldn't pick him up late during their day. Bo was that way and because he was so easy and good when he woke up - she called me and said I could pick him up anytime.... that was at NOON! I left him til the kids got home I think at about 3 pm.
I definatly want him done first thing. I can't schedule right now, because my mom isn't here, and I think you have to be 18+ fo schedule something.

If it's a difficult neuter, like a testicle that hasn't come down or they have to go in after..... I would want the pain meds. Tell them that you want to know if there is anything that happens and that you'd like at least 2 or 3 doses just incase. If they don't carry it - which i would think they should - could they write you an Rx to get it someplace that does carry it. (I live where there is an apothacary within 1/2 hour - they actually mix the drugs there).
Well, I've seen his "boys" several times, and they seem pretty normal- Both decended, etc. I'm still going to ask for some detils of his neuter, and for some pain meds.

I would also go in, tell them that you aren't being rude or anything but you love your bunny and know that bunnies are very unique and you want the best care for him.
Thanks- I probably will.

When I saw our vet the first time with Bo - he was in shock at how much I knew. He said most people don't know anything when they get them. I didn't either but learned real quick! LOL! Bo was about 2 mos old then.
I hope my vet is as great. Your vetsounds really good.

Now, he just sees the woman vet and she has a new woman vet asst but..... I don't really like her as much - still she's good.

So, I guess I'll go get my mom and see if she'll call...

 

[golfdiva]

I think I accidently clicked the "no" vote! :embarrassed:

 

[Bo B Bunny]

I was wondering who that was LOL!

 

[slavetoabunny]

All of the rabbits that I have had spayed and neutered have had dissolvable stitches with no problems. Both males and females have all come home the same day, again with no problems.

Good luck with the neuter. I know it can be nerve wracking!

 

[Xila]

Oh. xD It's okay. I do that a lot (accidentally click the wrong option in a poll)



Well, I'm just checking in- My mom is about to call. (Hopefully)

 

[Ivory]

Actually, this veterinarian sounds pretty good to me. The success rate is good.

I know it goes against what the majority of the forum thinks, but I don't generally give pain medicine for after neuters or spays. I keep on hand for in case the female won't eat, but generally the analgesics given during surgery help them to cope with the worst of the pain (12 hours afterwards.) Males hardly need it at all. The surgery isn't particularly invasive and the most I've seen is one of them chewing out sutures afterwards, which *usually* isn't a big deal anyway, as nothing can really spill out.

As far as anesthesia, isoflurane is good, as is injectible ketamine, acepromozine, Rompun, etc. etc. There's also sevoflurane, which is another good one. Halothane is generally inadvisable, but most vets don't use that any more. The others are safer for buns. He probably uses isoflorane.

There are advantages to different kinds of sutures, dissolving have their own probelsm, but so do regular, non-dissolving stitches. You're fine there.

As far as keeping them overnight, I always feel safer when a rabbit stays overnight. It allows for better observation, particularly during the waking up period after surgery. Even with regular male neuters, it's better to keep them. Also, just becaue a surgery is scheduled for a morning doesn't mean that it will actually be performed that morning- sometimes emergencies walk in, or appointments go over what they are supposed to be because of multiple problems. Frankly, it's easier to have an overnight stay. Vets deserve some conveinence, too .

All in all, I would trust this man to perform surgery on my rabbit.

 

[Xila]

EDIT: Found the cat carrior!

I Gave it a good scrubbing. I hope to do it like this to get him used to it:

1st day- Set up the carrior like it's going to be set up on the trip there.Leave the carrior there for a while, to let him explore it.

2nd + 3rd day- Get him in the carrior and leave him in there for 5 minutes or so. Praise him, and let him out.

4th day- Keep him in the carrior for10 minutes or so. Praise and let out.

5th day- Keep him in the carrior for 10 minutes or so- carry the carrior around during this time, to get him used to the "feel" of traveling in it. Praise, and let out.

6th day to day of the Neuter- Keep him in the carrior for fifteen minutes, while carrying the carrior around.

Is this okay..? And when I say carry it around, I mean, of course, keeping the shaking/rocking to a minimum.

Question: Will he need a litterbox? Or do you think he'll be okay? I'm thinking a litter box would just get spilled/knocked around...



Ivory wrote:

Actually, this veterinarian sounds pretty good to me. The success rate is good.


I know it goes against what the majority of the forum thinks, but I don't generally give pain medicine for after neuters or spays. I keep on hand for in case the female won't eat, but generally the analgesics given during surgery help them to cope with the worst of the pain (12 hours afterwards.) Males hardly need it at all. The surgery isn't particularly invasive and the most I've seen is one of them chewing out sutures afterwards, which *usually* isn't a big deal anyway, as nothing can really spill out.
Thanks for the reassurance. =3

As far as anesthesia, isoflurane is good, as is injectible ketamine, acepromozine, Rompun, etc. etc. There's also sevoflurane, which is another good one. Halothane is generally inadvisable, but most vets don't use that any more. The others are safer for buns. He probably uses isoflorane.
Yeah, I forgot to ask. He sounds smart enough to use a good anethetic, though.

There are advantages to different kinds of sutures, dissolving have their own probelsm, but so do regular, non-dissolving stitches. You're fine there.
Thanks.

As far as keeping them overnight, I always feel safer when a rabbit stays overnight. It allows for better observation, particularly during the waking up period after surgery. Even with regular male neuters, it's better to keep them. Also, just becaue a surgery is scheduled for a morning doesn't mean that it will actually be performed that morning- sometimes emergencies walk in, or appointments go over what they are supposed to be because of multiple problems. Frankly, it's easier to have an overnight stay. Vets deserve some conveinence, too .
Yeah, I didn't think of it like that.

All in all, I would trust this man to perform surgery on my rabbit.
Thanks!

Psssht. Leave it to my mom to say hse'll do comething that only takes a few minutes, and start doing it a half hour later.

Anyway, it's offically scheduled! Not this Friday, but Next Friday. The 27th. (I think)


Here are the answers:

What are your hours?

8am-5pm weekdays, and I forget what it is on weekends. (We looked it up in a phone book)

If he gets neutered early in the morning, can he come home the same day?

"He likes having them stay overnight, just to be sure that they recooperate okay"

If I bring some of his hay and pellets, can you give them to him?

Yes.

Can I bring some of his favorite toys?

Yes

*insert question about pain meds*

She sayd the neuter is juat a "Non-inasive-small cut in the skin-if it requires more- they give pain meds" . That's what my mom write down.



They also say "No food or water after Midnight on Thursday"... Should I just disregard that? I'm sure that a rabbit not eating for eight+ hours can have some very ill effects. They do this because they don't want the rabbit choking on the food and water under the anestetic.
(Sorry 'bout the big font-I want the question to get noticed)



Oh, and When I came back to my computer, Olivia was IMing me. (For a description of her, see my blog, "The Days Of BunBun&Slave"... All you really need to know, though, is that she's jsut is big-headed girl who thinks she's smarter than everyone else)

Here's the conversation:

Olivia: hi!
Olivia: Katie????
Xila : Yeah, I'm here.
Xila : Sorry about that. I was scheduling BunBun's neuter. It's Friday. (Not this friday, but next Friday)
Olivia: i was thinking about that the other day
Xila : ...You were thinking about my rabbit getting neutered?
Olivia: well, not the actual neutering thing, but about it being neutered
Olivia: u don't have to neuter boys
Xila : Yeah you. do. That's what neutering is.
Xila : *you do
Olivia: it's actually a waste of money and it puts more stress on the rabbit
Xila : Not really. It's pretty proven that neutered males are typically healthier and live longer than intact ones.
Xila : Besides, I'm goin go be sure he isn't stresses out when he goes there, and I'm going to be keeping his pretty relaxed when he comes home.
Xila : *going to be
Olivia: for girls, i would agree, but for boys, there isn't really a reason to
Xila : For rabbits, yes, there is...
Olivia: no i mean their whole life it stresses them
Olivia: their mind is telling them to do it, and their body is telling them not to because they don't have their reproductive organs anymore
Xila : What do you mean 'Their whole life it stresses them"? I would think that the sexual frustration of being intact would make them stressed.
Olivia: wat?
Xila : Besides, When you neuter a pet, they stop making the hormones tha t"Tell them to do it"
Olivia: not when their yung
Olivia: and no not nesesarily
Olivia: *young
Olivia: brb
Xila : Yes, Olivia. When you neuter a pet, they stop making the hormones that make them do that. That's what neutering is. >.>
Olivia: no, neutering is when they take out the reproducticve parts. they only cut out things down below, not up in their brain!
Olivia: brb
Xila : What...? Olivia, Hormones are created "Down below", and that what tells them to do that. If you make it so the hormones are stopped being created, than they typically loose interest in doing that. That's what a neuter is. They Make it do they loose interest in "that" by stopping the creation of hormones.
Olivia: neuter means....
Olivia: of or denoting a gender of nouns in some languages, typically contrasting with masculine and feminine or common : it is a neuter word in Greek.
Xila : That's not the same type of neuter.
Olivia: yah it is
Xila : A neuter is when you stop the creation of hormones in a male's reproductive system. >.>
Olivia: no it's not, look it up in the dictionary and tell me in a million years when u don't find it
Olivia: *what your looking for
Olivia: brb
Xila : [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering[/url]
Olivia: wikipedia is not always a true source of information because anyone in the world can get on there and change anything that they want to!
Olivia: just to prove my point
Xila : If an arctical has the option to edit said arctical, it usually has a warning at the top
Olivia: but yah katie, it is the removal of reproductive organs! not hormones!
Olivia: so
Xila : *facepalm*
Olivia: ?
Xila : And where do you think the hormones are made?
Olivia: brb i gotta go potty
Xila : Interesting.
Olivia: back
Olivia: anyways...
Olivia: a hormone can be made in any cell of the human body! (Thought to myself: I thought we were talking about rabbits? )
Xila : >.>
Olivia: brb
Xila : How about you go do some research on neutering than come back to this argument?
Olivia: i have to check my emails again, i keep getting emails that tell me i need to go to myspace where i have a message there
Olivia: i don't need to katie, u do
Xila : Psssht. Right. If neutering animals doesn't stop the desire to mate, than why do people do it?
Xila : Just listen- When you neuter an animal, it stops the creation of hormones. The existing hormones gradulally fade out of their system, and they loose interest in mating. That's waht a neuter is.

Mph. You get used to her. Stupid girl. xD She has this real big head becaus ehse's in the "smart" program. Yet she talks like an illiterate 7-year-old. I know what a neuter is, and it's not brain surgery. xD

THAN- It gets better! She sent me this music video on youtube saying that the cat's hormones were keeping it from his life, and asking the owner to neuter him. Thanks for proving my point, Olivia!

THAN, she started copying and pasting things to be from the Wikipedia page I sent her, furthur proving my poine.

Absoultly no comment.

She doesn't even know what a neuter is! She doesn't even know they get rid of hormones! :headsmackSHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE HORMONES ARE CREATED! Than she has the nerve to start throwin definitions of a "Neuter" (not even the right kind of neuter, either) at me, and sayign *I* need to do my research!

I mean... I know, some other, younger peoplemay not know what a neuter does... but she'sfrickin' THIRTEEN! AND SHE HAS A FIXED PET!

I know that's a bit harsh to say, but read my blog- She does stuff like this all the time.

But that's another story.

~Xila

 

[AngelnSnuffy]

Xila, in regards to your question about witholding food/water, answer is no. Never withhold food/water from a rabbit prior to a surgery. Rabbits can't vomit (really, I have heard a couple stories where they have) but, in general, you are not supposed to withold food/water before a surgery, ever. So, ignore that part. I don't like how the vet said to do that or was it a receptionist/tech that may not have known better?

I wish your bun the best of luck next Friday with the neuter, should go pretty smoothly.