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Snowballbun

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Hey everyone,
I took my bunny to the vet because last week you can see a dark piece of skin coming down over her eye, which I guess is the 3rd eyelid. It is down a lot farther and a lot more noticeable than her other eye, and is a new development.

The vet looked at the upper part of the white of her eye and it was kind of bloodshot. He said it may be infected or irritated which is also causing the eyelid to swell and come down over her eye. They put her on mucomyst/art tears/gentocin ophth.

She is taking the drops one drop 2 times a day. I took her last Sat. and her eye does not really look any better. Could there be something else going on here? Or some other cause or type of treatment?
 
Thank you, I looked over a lot of the articles and things, but still can't really find an answer. I wonder if anyone out there has experience with this?
 
I don't have any experience with it but it could be an infection of the eye, the 3rd eyelid, or maybe an abrasion to the area of the eye that the rabbit is protecting. The eye drops should help in a few days; if not, go back for a recheck. Did they check for a corneal ulcer? They put a dye in the eye that will stain the abrasion differently when they do that. It's important to know if there is an abrasion on the eye at all.
 
Does it look like a white thing is coming down from the lower part of the eye? That is the third eye lid, if that's what you're seeing, it's called prolapse of the third eyelid or Cherry eye.

Here's some info I found. I had a bun w/ this, then came Congestive Heart Failure. All I'm saying is that sometimes, it could be an onset to something bigger. I hope just antibiotics will do it.

http://wildlife1.wildlifeinformation.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/ProlapseEyelidGland

 
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This is a pic of her eye, best I could get this morning. It's coming down over the top of her eye. It is a lot further down than over her other eye.
 
It has been about 9 days now and the antibiotic drops don't appear to be working. If they do a scratch test, would it be able to tell if there is something underneath that part of the eye that's being covered? It makes me worried because it's not going away. It may be slightly better but it's so hard to tell.

Oh, also Angel, the link you sent me isn't working for some reason.
 
That's not an eyelid--the white part that's starting to cover the dark part of the eye, right? That's something else. I will look it up.
 
Thanks for that warning, Claire.

Yeah, since it's coming from the other end of the eye, it's not a prolapse of third eyelid.

Possibly, the corneal occlusion. Needs to be seen by a rabbit savvy vet, asap. Let me look up some info about it.
 
Oh man, I looked at the article with the pictures. The vet had seemed to think it was maybe an infection that was causing it to swell and that was why it was coming down.Is that still possible? She had a little bit of reddness on the upper white part of her eye. Now the rabbit has that on her other eye as well but it barely touches the colored part of her eye.

It says it's not really treatable and that she would need surgery? Now I'm really worried. Yes please let me know anything you can.

Also, last night I think she may have been grinding her teeth a little, which I wasn't sure about cuz I've never heard her do it before. My mom said she seemed depressed. The condition said it's painful which now I'm really worried about too, and I don't want her to go blind :(
 
If you looked at the pictures in the article and they look a lot like what Snowball is having, I don't think the infection idea is still a possibility.

The article said that the best treatment appears to be surgery where the membrane is sewed back onto the inside of the eyelid, and the eye is treated afterward with antibiotic and steroid eye drops. Simply cutting off the part of the eye that is growing over the iris will not help as it usually grows back.

I would send your vet that PDF and ask them to look into it. The PDF talks some about the VEIN website, which your vet can probably access, and I would assume your vet also has access to the VIN, or veterinary information network. The VIN is only accessible to vets, but I assume there must be some info on there about this condition. The end of the PDF also has some links to veterinary literature on the condition.

To be honest this may be something that requires a specialist. It seems to be incredibly rare. I would ask your vet for a pain medicine prescription for him, and a referral to a veterinary opthamologist.

I don't know where you're located in MI, but there must be someone at Mich State that could do this. I know it will be costly as well so you may need to consider that but I would meet with a specialist before I made any decisions on that front.
 
Wow,
I just have to say you hit that one right on the nose. Everything you said about it. I took her back to the vet and actually had sent that article with pictures before I went to the vet asking if any of them had experience with the corneal occlusion. The pictures looked almost exactly like how Snowball's eye is, as it has also gotten worse. I brought the article in as well, and told them that I had got it from my online rabbit forum, and you guys are fabulous! As you also diagnosed her syphilis that she had. You are genius!

Well I lucked out and saw a different vet that has been there for 11 years, and she has seen cases of this. It is not very common though. Like you said, she is going to have to see a specialist and at Michigan State like you also had mentioned! I had never thought of there being a rabbit ophthalmologist. She knows one at State that she sends people to sometimes. I am about an hour and a half away from Lansing, so it's a bit of a drive but not too bad I guess.

She gave Snowball anti-inflammatory drops in case it was rubbing on her eye as it was still a little bit red on the white part of her eye and I'm pretty sure she had been grinding her teeth a bit the night before I took her.

The vet said that she thought the surgery was about 80% effective, as in the skin won't grow back over her eye. It could, and then there might have to be more surgeries or steroid drops. I'm not sure they may even give her steroid drops after the surgery anyways. I have not found out how much the surgery costs, but this scares me too, in addition to her actually having the surgery. I do believe they try and suture the skin to underneath the eyelid? Instead of cutting it off, which results in it growing back.

I don't think I would be able to afford multiple surgeries if that were to come up, nor I don't think I would want to put my rabbit through that. Some people have mentioned that I may have to think about putting her down if that happened, which I would just be devastated. But there was one person I talked to who said that if the skin did grow back over her eyes, which would make her unable to see, then she said how well animals adapt to senses they don't have, such as being blind.

I would feel sooo bad for her being blind though too, but I guess that would be better than having to put her down? Because I definitely don't want to have to do that. I guess I will try not to worry about that quite yet. This is a progressive disease, and it is worse in her left eye, but the vet said that it is also starting in her right eye.

The vet also said that although unsure about the cause, that it may be related to something auto-immune to the body. She said I should have the surgery sooner than later, but it's not an emergency. I am a teacher, so I will probably take her over Christmas break in December.

I feel sooooo terrible for my poor Snowball, as she just turned one year old and she has been through so much already. She was the one that had the case of syphilis that was so hard to diagnose. The vet even said that they see a lot of cases of syphilis from rabbits from pet stores, but that hers was not typical, as it started in the eye. She had a runny, red eye. (Which really could be a symptom of many things)

Even after her spay, she came down with stasis, because I think her pain meds were not strong enough which resulted in sub q fluids, critical care, and that gut motility drug, oh and a stronger dose of pain meds.

People are saying that she is lucky I have adopted her because maybe a lot of people wouldn't have taken her to the vet or spent that much money, cuz I have spent a ton on my poor baby. I love her to death though and would do anything for her.

So although I'm sure the surgery is very expensive, I plan on having this at least, as it is the best option. I love her so much, but I just feel sooo bad for her. And I look at her with this thing growing over her eye and it just makes me so sad. She is such a beautiful bunny too.
 
Wow you 've got a lot of info for us

I'm really glad thatSnowball has been correctly diagnosed. Good for you for sending the articles to the vets

In terms of surgeries you may just to take 1 step at a time and see how things go.

Ihad a bun that went totally blind from glaucoma. Since she already knew her surroundings she did very well and did not seem to suffer from lack of sight.
keep us updated
 
That is awesome news! Thanks for the huge update.

Yeah, Snuff that I have now has cataracts in both eyes. No further consequences.. I know Glaucoma is one of them...

My first bun had the Prolapse, then the diagnosis of chf.:?
 
angieluv, I'm glad to hear that your bunny still did well despite not being able to see. Are there any cures for glaucoma or cataracts?

Angelnsnuffy, I didn't really understand your post? Is your bun right now blind cuz of cataracts, and what about the glaucoma? How old did your bunnies live? Mine is only one year old.

Also, do you guys still think I should have the surgery even if it is a lot of money? I have no idea yet because I am waiting to hear from the vet, but I'm guessing around 1,000. I want the best for her though and I plan on it as of right now. I was telling my family I'm going to start accepting donations lol cuz I am worried about what the price is gunna be and how much I've already spent on her other health issues.
 


I would see the specialist and talk with him first beforeI would make a definite decision about the surgery... If there is a good prognosis for the surgery and the vets are very competent and you feel you can deal with the price (maybe you can pay in installments.) thenI would consider the surgery.

Specialists can do surgery on cataracts and also treat glaucoma.

My rabbit was already blind when I saw the opthalmologist( it seemed to occur in both eyes overnight ..very strange) and there was nothing left to do but Sheba was old and lived comfortably without sight.
 
As for price, I do think it will be in the hundreds of dollars range. I can understand spending that much money but it is one of those things where you have to decide what you can afford. I think if done by the specialist, it should not require repeat surgeries, but this is the first time I've read about this condition other than in that article I posted.
 
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