BusterLimes
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I really couldn't find a post on this here.
S373 is a FEDERAL bill currently in front of the senate [already introduced and reported] to make certain pet snakes "injurious animals"
(there is no doubt in my mind that they are, personal experience, but should they keep them? they kind of know what they are doing).
There are 9 species being discussed, all of which are of "rabbit-eating" size as adults (they also generally end up eating ONLY rabbits). The species included are ALSO the only huge species of snake kept, therefore... they eat rabbits, and if they were illegal rabbits would go up in $ slowly over several years.
(everything from burmese pythons and red tailed boas to anacondas and reticulated pythons is included, several states are trying to do the same thing.)
Monitor lizards and crocodillians in captivity also eat rabbits, but could easily eat prey items that are "not-whole" i.e. "meat" unlike the snakes.
I keep both bunnies and a variety of lizards/birds/fish. I was actually involved with a big debate on a reptile forum about this, and when I mentioned "keeping the rabbit breeder down" for the "feeder industry" they all kind of shut up, "feeder rabbits" would be obsolete if (and when) the ban goes through. This would give rabbits a chance to thrive, in additiong --- smaller snakes, lizards, turtles (and tortoises) would ALL thrive! Why? Because for some reason lots of people want a giant snake that eats rabbits (pretty debatable morals here i'm sure), if they were not available, they will have to get a different reptile. but none of the "keepers" seem to realize that without rabbit community approval... they are absolutely screwed.
As a reptile keeper I'm torn on this, but destroying the "feeder" industry would give rabbit breeders the ability to name their prices. We could even have some really good income, however the argument for this is that the feeder industry just gives us so much MONEY! that's balogna, they buy by the lb. it actually is just kind of there FOR the snake-keepers (like their own slave breedery).
I'm not here to make them lose their snakes, I think the gov. will do that just fine. But where do we stand on this folks? Should we give them our help? Or (for the first time) step away from them, leave them without a paddle in other words. I haven't noticed them asking rabbit breeders for help just "herpers" (all keepers of reptiles and amphibians). They don't respect their food. I know this is a forum for rabbits and not snakes and I apologize. This bill could have a huge impact on rabbit breeders (for the better) and on pet rabbits. After talking to them they believe they can keep "any and all species of reptile, nothing-- even endangered things-- are out of their reach. I was told by a reptile breeder (whom I admire) that any proposal of a whitelist/blacklist in his trade will GET YOU SUED. They don't have all of this power. Just a big snake for a big mouth.
Do we need to teach them some manners? Or should we let the animal rights people know whats up so they can just tear them apart? (they wouldn't lose specimens, but they won't be able to import/export or sell gigantic species of snake.
) For the record, I HATE animal rights groups. But these keepers have crossed the line for the last time. Let them know that the voices of rabbit keepers should be heard in this bill!!!!!
(I have been a Kingsnake.com member for years, I tried to NOT let them know that I keep rabbits as well as herps, but the majority of them are very rude and they shout down anyones opinion on anything --- obviously their specimens are at stake. they made the mistake of telling me "they're not pets, they are captives" well my iguanas and rabbits ARE pets, just bc they are herbivores does not make them less-than-and-not-equal-to large snakes.)
Go to opencongress.org and find the bill (S373) it's almost to a senate vote and they are FLOODING the boards about this [A lot of it sounds like, "I'm a reptile breeder and I disapprove".... well... how about your "feeders"? rabbit people might have a say?] . I would like some of you to give the "rabbit-breeders" perspective on this. MAKE THEM RESPECT THEIR FOOD OR GET OUT!!! IF WE PUT THE "FEEDERS" OF OUT BUSINESS..... draw your own conclusion here^. Of course there's always the nasty business of taking someones "captive" but it's not like ALL species of python (or boa constrictor) are at stake only the ones that get well over 12 ft. in length.
Remember, only "large snakes" are being discussed here. I really don't think that 2 of those species belong there. But 7/9 ain't bad, I hold the FIRM belief that the other 7 are unmanageable as "captives" by the general public. I was called every name in the book for this over on Kingsnake (one dude even thought I was a spy for a different community... LOL I like rabbits! I hope he finds this post, none of them connected "buster" to "bunny")
IF YOU DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS BILL, IT'S BECAUSE THE "HERP" COMMUNITY IS CLAIMING IT AS "ONLY AFFECTING THEM"
S373 is a FEDERAL bill currently in front of the senate [already introduced and reported] to make certain pet snakes "injurious animals"
(there is no doubt in my mind that they are, personal experience, but should they keep them? they kind of know what they are doing).
There are 9 species being discussed, all of which are of "rabbit-eating" size as adults (they also generally end up eating ONLY rabbits). The species included are ALSO the only huge species of snake kept, therefore... they eat rabbits, and if they were illegal rabbits would go up in $ slowly over several years.
(everything from burmese pythons and red tailed boas to anacondas and reticulated pythons is included, several states are trying to do the same thing.)
Monitor lizards and crocodillians in captivity also eat rabbits, but could easily eat prey items that are "not-whole" i.e. "meat" unlike the snakes.
I keep both bunnies and a variety of lizards/birds/fish. I was actually involved with a big debate on a reptile forum about this, and when I mentioned "keeping the rabbit breeder down" for the "feeder industry" they all kind of shut up, "feeder rabbits" would be obsolete if (and when) the ban goes through. This would give rabbits a chance to thrive, in additiong --- smaller snakes, lizards, turtles (and tortoises) would ALL thrive! Why? Because for some reason lots of people want a giant snake that eats rabbits (pretty debatable morals here i'm sure), if they were not available, they will have to get a different reptile. but none of the "keepers" seem to realize that without rabbit community approval... they are absolutely screwed.
As a reptile keeper I'm torn on this, but destroying the "feeder" industry would give rabbit breeders the ability to name their prices. We could even have some really good income, however the argument for this is that the feeder industry just gives us so much MONEY! that's balogna, they buy by the lb. it actually is just kind of there FOR the snake-keepers (like their own slave breedery).
I'm not here to make them lose their snakes, I think the gov. will do that just fine. But where do we stand on this folks? Should we give them our help? Or (for the first time) step away from them, leave them without a paddle in other words. I haven't noticed them asking rabbit breeders for help just "herpers" (all keepers of reptiles and amphibians). They don't respect their food. I know this is a forum for rabbits and not snakes and I apologize. This bill could have a huge impact on rabbit breeders (for the better) and on pet rabbits. After talking to them they believe they can keep "any and all species of reptile, nothing-- even endangered things-- are out of their reach. I was told by a reptile breeder (whom I admire) that any proposal of a whitelist/blacklist in his trade will GET YOU SUED. They don't have all of this power. Just a big snake for a big mouth.
Do we need to teach them some manners? Or should we let the animal rights people know whats up so they can just tear them apart? (they wouldn't lose specimens, but they won't be able to import/export or sell gigantic species of snake.
) For the record, I HATE animal rights groups. But these keepers have crossed the line for the last time. Let them know that the voices of rabbit keepers should be heard in this bill!!!!!(I have been a Kingsnake.com member for years, I tried to NOT let them know that I keep rabbits as well as herps, but the majority of them are very rude and they shout down anyones opinion on anything --- obviously their specimens are at stake. they made the mistake of telling me "they're not pets, they are captives" well my iguanas and rabbits ARE pets, just bc they are herbivores does not make them less-than-and-not-equal-to large snakes.)
Go to opencongress.org and find the bill (S373) it's almost to a senate vote and they are FLOODING the boards about this [A lot of it sounds like, "I'm a reptile breeder and I disapprove".... well... how about your "feeders"? rabbit people might have a say?] . I would like some of you to give the "rabbit-breeders" perspective on this. MAKE THEM RESPECT THEIR FOOD OR GET OUT!!! IF WE PUT THE "FEEDERS" OF OUT BUSINESS..... draw your own conclusion here^. Of course there's always the nasty business of taking someones "captive" but it's not like ALL species of python (or boa constrictor) are at stake only the ones that get well over 12 ft. in length.
Remember, only "large snakes" are being discussed here. I really don't think that 2 of those species belong there. But 7/9 ain't bad, I hold the FIRM belief that the other 7 are unmanageable as "captives" by the general public. I was called every name in the book for this over on Kingsnake (one dude even thought I was a spy for a different community... LOL I like rabbits! I hope he finds this post, none of them connected "buster" to "bunny")
IF YOU DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS BILL, IT'S BECAUSE THE "HERP" COMMUNITY IS CLAIMING IT AS "ONLY AFFECTING THEM"
