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If anyone is online right now this is an emergency I need advice quick my vet doesn't open for another two hours!

My rabbit has something wrong with his eye, I looked it up and this picture is exactly what it looks like:
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It's a picture of a guinea pig with a swollen conjunctivia but that's precisely what it looks like on my rabbit

The vet doesn't open for 2 hours

I have to be at the airport in 6 hours, and I'm not fully packed yet

My sister comes home from work in 7 hours

Is this immediately dangerous? Should I be standing outside the office with him waiting for it to open or is it safe to wait until my sister gets home?

He's an elderly rabbit, 7 years old, I know he didn't have it two days ago, not sure about yesterday.
 
It's hard to know what to say. It could simply be the result of some sort of irritation or allergy. Or it could be something internal, such as tooth issues manifesting through eye symptoms (though I think often you should have seen a change in his appetite/eating behaviour if that was the case).

I have no experience so I can't suggest anything. But knowing myself, I would want to be taking him to the vet, just to be safe. If you don't have time to stay around, maybe you could get them to keep him there until your sister could pick him up later?
 
He's going to the vet no matter what, I just need to know if this is a thing that is not going to hold until my sister comes home and can get him there, if I should be pulling all stops to get him there the moment the vet unlocks the door
 
Probably gonna follow your suggestion though, see if I can rush him in early and then leave him there with the vet, to be picked up by my sister if they determine that he'll be fine. I managed to find a number for the emergency animal clinic in my area and they said that it's probably not life-threatening but it is probably painful and can get worse quickly
 
I pray they know how to help him. That looks like it's painful!!
 
I am not an expert and don't know because I have never had any experience, but it looks a bit like pink eye. I would take him to the vet anyway and get it checked out asap!

Please keep us posted and let us know what is going on!

Vanessa
 
Back from my trip and Lahi's doing great.

My fiance was able to drive me to the vet's office as they opened, and we were able to get him in right away, and none too soon, either, as he'd been scratching at it in the interim. By the time we got him there his eye was even worse and weeping. But the vet put some stain in his eye and determined that we managed to get him there before he was able to scratch his eye, which is the real danger with eye problems like his.

So for future reference, it wasn't at all life-threatening, but if your rabbit has anything irritated about their eye, it does need immediate attention. They'll scratch at it, and may end up putting scratches on their eyeball, threatening permanent blindness!

She prescribed eyedrops (Ciloxan, ciprofloxacin hydrochloride) to be administered every 8 hours, and they allowed me to leave Lahi under their care and supervision so I could get to the airport on time, and my sister picked him up on her way back from work. My dad, who was going to be taking care of the bunnies anyway while I was away, managed to give him his eyedrops.

Actually, Lahi's a very well-behaved bunny, and patiently allows anyone to handle him. Even the vet comments on how calm and cooperative he is. I shudder to think of if it were Delilah who had the problem. Lahi doesn't even need to have his eyelid held open.

In any case, Lahi's doing much better! His eye is still a bit swollen and droopy, and he's losing some fur on the corner of his eye where he's been rubbing at it, but he's well on his way to recovery. I include some pictures so you may see! With his good eye shown to compare.

Then again, being a black bunny he doesn't generally show up well in pictures. Ah well.

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*And for the record, I was right about it being a swollen conjunctivia, though we came to no firm conclusion as to what caused it. It can be caused by blunt trauma, but in Lahi's case it's been treated as an infection. Conjunctivitis is the most common infection, and that's what the medication is specifically made to treat, though I'm pretty certain it's not that in particular, as conjunctivitis generally is accompanied by pus and other fun liquids coming from the eye. He had a watery eye but that was just from it being irritated.
 
So for future reference, it wasn't at all life-threatening, but if your rabbit has anything irritated about their eye, it does need immediate attention. They'll scratch at it, and may end up putting scratches on their eyeball, threatening permanent blindness!

I'm so glad Lahi's recovering well!

I'd like to mention for anyone else who might encounter a similar issue in the future that in the event an immediate trip to an e-vet isn't an option, no-chew vetwrap (which, imo, should be in every bunny owner's first aid kit!) could be wrapped around the bunny's paws to prevent their claws from scratching the eye. While the vetwrap itself is slightly rough, any scratches it caused would surely be smaller/more shallow than what a claw would cause... plus, the bunny would almost certainly get pissed off about the vetwrapped paws and be too busy trying in vain to get the wraps off to spend much time pawing at their eye :). Distraction can be an amazingly good tool!
 
Haha yes that was one thing we were considering. The other was suggested by a friend of mine that fosters animals: THE CONE OF SHAME!!

When we questioned whether there could possibly be cones small enough, she confirmed that she once needed to put a teeny tiny cone on a kitten.

We didn't end up using it, though, by the time she suggested it I was in the air.
 
I can beat that - I make and sell these on my website; the template for the outer part of the collar is a CD! To mark the cut line for the inner circle (ie the neck part), an old-school $1 coin is used (I think that's what it is, anyway... close enough, at least - point is, this thing is tiny!).

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Here's my little Tabitha modeling the collar for my website (she wasn't too happy, but I bribed her with lots of mealies):

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Really awful news :'(

So. Went to the vet's with Lahi today to check if his conjunctivitus was healed. I'd run out of eyedrops, and though his eye isn't totally back to normal I wanted to know if it would be healing on its own if the conjunctivitus was gone.

The good news: the conjunctivitus is gone.

The bad news: his eye isn't back to normal. It's protruding slightly. Which means there's something behind it, pushing it forward.

The likely candidates for that "something" are either a tumour or an abscess. The conjunctivitus was likely a symptom of the underlying problem, not a isolated event.

In the case of a tumour, it's in a spot hard to operate on, and will only get worse with time. A risky surgery is neccessary to completely remove it, after which the problem is probably solved.

In the case of an abscess... Well, as it turns out, abscesses in rabbits are different from any other animal. My sister's horse gets abscesses in his feet and legs all the time. Fun pus and liquid and her wrangling me into wrapping his feet with baby diapers filled with epson salts ensues. Basically, most animals you drain the liquid and you're good.

Rabbits need them entirely removed. Surgically. Which still pretty simple, if it's in the skin.

Lahi's (potential) abscess is behind his eye. Not so simple. In fact the book the vet consulted outright said that treatment in such cases is extremely difficult.

Unlike tumours, they're very unpredictable. They can grow extremely rapidly, and the vet told me once that she saw overnight one turn into five.

Like tumours, they just get worse with time. They don't solve themselves.

If surgery is determined to be impossible, then usually antibiotics are injected regularly for the rest of the rabbit's life. If the surgery does proceed, abscesses also don't tend to stay gone, so they'd still be taking antibiotics (possibly injections) the rest of their life.

And due to the fact that Lahi's eye was not protruding when I first noticed the conjunctivitus 4 weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't protruding much 3 weeks ago, this has developed very rapidly and is therefore probably an abscess.

And to really put icing on the cake? Abscesses can be caused by a number of things, like inflammation, or being jabbed by something... but with rabbits (lucky me) they apparently usually result from the bacteria that will sometimes reside in their bodies.

Which means it's contagious.

Which means DELILAH probably already has it. She's not guaranteed to get an abscess from it, but if Lahi's was caused by bacteria, then Delilah has that same bacteria.

Now. What to DO about it.

Did I mention Lahi is 7 years old? Anaesthetic not recommended in rabbits over age 4.

I went into the vet's to make sure Lahi's eye was all better.

I came out with a tentative diagnosis of something WORSE than a brain tumour.

I now have to choose between putting my elderly rabbit through a risky surgery on a difficult area with an expensive specialist, AFTER a round of x-rays, MRIs, and possibly ultrasounds to FIND it, and being on antibiotics for the rest of his life...

:dunno:

Or to try to make the remainder of his life as comfortable as possible. Which based on the rapid onset, could be the remainder of the month.

:cry1:

The attached pictures are various angles (side, front, back) of his eyes (left, protruding eye, then right, healthy eye) with a final shot of his whole face from the front to show the difference at once. It's not that noticeable when looking at him from the side--all you notice is his third eyelid. But from the back it's really noticeable. He wasn't scared, the whites of his eye shouldn't have been showing (as seen by his right eye).

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This could be caused by any number of things including absesses in the mouth, such as the case of Gosling in the Poland Rabbit Rescue Blogs. Was any ultrasounds, X-rays, anything done at all before the doctor gave you all this advice?

I found this last night and thought it was interesting. it has a bevy of medical info on rabbits and some of this might be helpful now. I would get a second opinion. In some rabbits, like Gosling, the eye was a symption of a tooth absess infection that was not being treated. I think I also have a page online some where that discussed another rabbit named
Pandora that had reoccuring teeth absesses. http://www.rabbit.org/journal/4-4/pandora.html. The did remove her eye and she is hopping around and raising hell
like no one's business!

Here is a URL for the Polish blog where you can see her and her name in Polish is Gąska:
http://www.azyl.vot.pl/2014/03/wtorek-11-03-2014/#more-1749

This kinda reminds me of when I first broke my ribs this January and had to go for a CT scan. The place scared thehell out of me by hinting I might have the beginnings of cancer in my lungs (being a former 20 plus year smoker).

I freaked out and just about lost it until I had another radiologist read that and CT scans from 2009 and saw it was nothing.

I'm not saying the situation with the eye is nothing. Anything with the eyes is pretty serious. But I would go get a second opinion and get some type of tests ran and scans or ct scans or something done. I understand what you are saying about the age. I've had some pretty old pets that I have had procedures like 11 plus years as well..

No matter what I wish you nothing but luck with your bunny and hope you get a better outcome...

Vanessa
 
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I forgot to add, it does not mean necessarily it's contagious. So don't doom both of your rabbits, but one action you can take is to have the eye removed if the doctor suggested it unless they are saying that is hopeless. Me, I would ask for some type of tests ran this week to get an answer on what it is. Treatment without a firm diagnosis is based upon air and whenever you are feeling really freaked out remember this quote from Plato I like that I'm sure people on this forum are damned sick and tired of reading:

" we cannot cure the body with body; we cure the body with the mind, and if the mind is confused and upset, it cannot cure anything properly."

Hang in there and please keep us posted..
Vanessa
 
Though your buns situation is serious, it doesn't necessarily mean it isn't curable or will involve lifelong treatment. Other rabbits in similar situations, have done well when the correct treatment is given. RO member kmaben, has a rabbit that had an eye problem too, the eye was removed, and her bun has been just fine since then. So it is possible that your rabbit is going to be ok, despite how bad it may seem at this point.

If the bulging is due to an abscess, there is an antibiotic treatment used for difficult to treat abscesses, that may help in this situation. It's several months of bicillin injections. Here's the study on it:
http://people.umass.edu/~jwmoore/bicillin/bicillin.htm

As for being contagious, yes bacteria like pasteurella is contagious, but it's actually a bacteria that most rabbits already have been exposed to and carry even though they never exhibit symptoms or get sick from it. So though your other bun may also carry the bacteria, it doesn't mean it will ever cause her any sort of health problems.
 
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Oh goodness, the poor guy! So sorry to hear about his eye.

I think if you're going to start treating it with meds, you will need to do so ASAP as if left too long, the eye will likely get pushed out. The other option that I see is to have the eye, and the abscess underneath surgically removed. 7 years isn't terribly risky for surgery, there is blood work you can get done first to make sure there's no underlying issue that will put your rabbit at more significant risk than usual.
 
Wow guys the support is great I can't even

Was any ultrasounds, X-rays, anything done at all before the doctor gave you all this advice?

I haven't had any X-rays done--the vet examined him, determined the protrusion was not normal, and then basically laid out for me the most likely causes of an eye protrusion like that, and gave me her professional opinion that it was an abscess due to its sudden onset--but I'm going to see about that happening soon. If nothing else I at least need to know what the treatment options are. The problem is that, as she explained, the head is a busy place, and an X-ray isn't always the best thing to find something. They might have to send me on to a specialist for an MRI or whatever.

The other problem is that, well, I'm a university student. How ridiculously swamped with work I am aside, there's some big money issues. In the past 6 months my rabbits have had a spaying, dental work, treatment for conjunctivitus, and god knows how many checkups. But on top of the vet bills I've already accumulated, can I even afford however many x-rays, MRIs, second opinions, surgeries, and medication that this is going to take, and tuition as well? I don't know.

My area isn't so great for affordable vet care. The clinic I'm currently with charged ~$250 for a spay. That was really cheap compared to the other clinics in the area, actually. So if a relatively safe, regular, routine procedure that they could carry out at the clinic was $250... a risky, difficult procedure that must be performed by a specialist? *Shudder* I'm afraid to look.

I forgot to add, it does not mean necessarily it's contagious. So don't doom both of your rabbits
As for being contagious, yes bacteria like pasteurella is contagious, but it's actually a bacteria that most rabbits already have been exposed to and carry even though they never exhibit symptoms or get sick from it. So though your other bun may also carry the bacteria, it doesn't mean it will ever cause her any sort of health problems.
That's actually very much along the lines of what my vet said, that many rabbits come with the bacteria already, and that she won't necessarily develop an abscess too. The fact that it's contagious just seemed like an extra kick in the teeth on top of everything else that makes abscesses so ridiculously awful, that if Delilah didn't have the bacteria before she definitely does now.

I mean seriously, my sister's horse gets abscesses ALL THE TIME, he's got recurring foot problems. She duct tapes a soaked, epson-salt filled baby diaper to his foot every night, it eventually drains, he's good to go within the month. It's apparently similar for most animals. EXCEPT RABBITS, who for some reason it's a really serious thing that needs to be surgically removed? AND the bacteria that cause it are contagious?! COME ON.

*Sigh*

In any case, thanks so much guys. You really gave me some hope. I somehow totally forgot that removing the eye to get at the abscess is an option--I had it stuck in my head that it was a really hopeless situation due to his eye being in the way. You're absolutely right, a rabbit can be perfectly happy with just one. And better his eye than his life, right?

Money issue aside, I definitely feel better about deciding to go with the treatment... At the very least, if there's complications in surgery? He'll be out under anaesthetic, or under heavy painkillers. I'd rather him pass away painlessly in an attempt to save his life than have him slowly get worse and worse and be in more pain as I try to "make him comfortable".

It's especially bad, though, when my family is gently reminding me that he's an elderly rabbit who probably doesn't have that much longer to live anyway (their comments supported by how his sister passed away last August) and everyone is sympathizing with me about how hard the decision to put an animal down is. It's very disheartening to be faced with the overwhelming opinion that there's nothing I could/should do. I put my foot down when some of my friends started talking about him in past tense.

In the meantime, Lahi spent several hours after he came home from the vet squeezed into a tiny box with Delilah for some literally concentrated cuddle-time, both of them only coming out once or twice for a litter break. It's actually really adorable. And I need adorable right now.

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Though scans and surgery are probably the best route to go, if that isn't something that is going to be possible at this time, another option is to start treatment with the bicillin right away and just see how your rabbit responds to the treatment and if the bulging of the eye is reduced. Bicillin is very affordable, especially if bought from a pharmacy, online, or from a livestock store, and it certainly won't hurt to try. Plus if this is due to an abscess, antibiotic treatment really shouldn't be delayed for even a day. Your vet can easily show you how to give the injections.
 
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Though scans and surgery are probably the best route to go, if that isn't something that is going to be possible at this time, another option is to start treatment with the bicillin right away and just see how your rabbit responds to the treatment and if the bulging of the eye is reduced. Bicillin is very affordable, especially if bought from a pharmacy, online, or from a livestock store, and it certainly won't hurt to try. Plus if this is due to an abscess, antibiotic treatment really shouldn't be delayed for even a day. Your vet can easily show you how to give the injections.

That's a really good idea, but one issue... what if it's not an abscess? What if it's a tumour? Would bicillin injections be harmful? If they are not harmful at all and can only help, I'll be breathing down my clinic's neck to get me some ASAP (and wow look at that sudden motivation to overcome my needle phobia). But it would suck to start the injections, only to find out it's a particularly aggressive tumour and the injections aggravated it. The x-rays will have to come first, which as previously noted may take a while and not even find anything.

On that note, does anyone know if things like MRIs are more successful at finding stuff? I mean, if it's possible that the x-ray won't even be able to find anything, and even if it does might still require additional examination with MRIs etc, would it therefore not be more cost efficient to skip the x-ray altogether and go straight to the MRI? (/Ultrasound/CT scan/whatever they feel will succeed where the x-ray failed)
 
It's especially bad, though, when my family is gently reminding me that he's an elderly rabbit who probably doesn't have that much longer to live anyway (their comments supported by how his sister passed away last August) and everyone is sympathizing with me about how hard the decision to put an animal down is. It's very disheartening to be faced with the overwhelming opinion that there's nothing I could/should do. I put my foot down when some of my friends started talking about him in past tense.

Ugh, I hate that. It's like the people around you are condemning them to death without even taking a moment to consider treating the issue. Yes, he's seven, but some rabbits can live well into their teens! Not saying he will or won't, but to just say that's it and give up because there's a problem along the way, no. I had the same frustration almost 4 years ago, when my then 14 year old cat came down with a digestive, respiratory and leg infection in the space of two weeks. My mum and her partner were so ready to just say "it was her time" and she'd had a good life, but there was no way I was standing by and doing nothing. Even if she'd passed away in the end, it would have been worth it because I'd tried. I had to buy her those hot chickens from the supermarket, which I had to heat in the microwave and feed in tiny pieces by hand to keep her alive (as it's the only thing she would eat), along with twice daily meds etc. It took time, but she got there, and she lived for an additional 3 and 1/2 years!

Do what you have to do, if you feel the time is right, then by all means, it's the right decision. But don't let other people make you accept an end if you know it isn't there.

I apologise if that got a bit ranty :p That sort of attitude from people just drives me crazy.
 

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