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Buck Jones

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Ya never can tell where the day is gonnago...Recently let Ernest(ine) out to free range. While myback was turned, Mickie escaped from his hutch because I left the topopen to "air it out." I calculated, incorrectly, that hewould be unable to climb out.

Engrossed in yard work, thank goodness I was there, I heard silentthrashing about. Turned around to find Ernest(ine) and Mickielocked in combat, rolling about the ground. Separated themand returned Mickie to his hutch with his mate, Maizie.

Ernest(ine) in turn parked beneath another hutch and just satthere. At first, I thought she was just resting, then thoughtI'd better check. When I approached, Ernest(ine) took off hobbling awaywith one front paw dangling. I thought the leg might havebeen broken!

Missus and I caught Ernest(ine) and inspected the legclosely. Appeared red and raw, abraded some, but not broken,nor requiring stitches. We applied some anti-biotic Ozonoland commiserated with Ernest(ine), who has been rejected to date forbonding with our widowed doe, Mitzie. We attributed that rejection,somewhat, to the "fact" Ernest turned out to be Ernest(ine), but, now,Ernest(ine) had been severly attacked by a buck, Mickie,...not entirelyunheard of, but surprising to us, nonetheless.

Attending to the wound, we inspected the genitals more closely and cameto the conclusion that perhaps the "Spay Papers" had been drawn up inerror as Ernest's previous owner suggested. She recalledErnest coming home all red and swollen...asin testicles, andwas at a loss to "explain" the papers indicating spaying for a doe.

We compared Ernest(ine) to Calbert and Missy and Ernest(ine) was morelike Calbert. We compared to three Internet sexing source pictures, butErnest(ine) in real life did not match up quite as clearly as we wouldhave preferred in order to draw a definite conclusion, although theMissus currently favors Ernest(ine) being a buck. I don'tnecessarily disagree, but I find Ernest(ine) a bit skittish for a buck.

Fact of the matter is, we're not sure. We will either have totake Ernest(ine) to a vet for a fee, or to a nearby breeder who hasmuch more experience sexing rabbits than we do. Inthe meantime, we decided, with some advice from a bunny knowledgablefriend of ours, that Ernest or Ernestine, as the case may be, shouldcome inside and become a house bunny.

Calbert and Missy were moved outside after I spent the day "winterzing"their outside hutch by inserting removable wooden panels on the sidesand creating a wooden panel w/plexiglas window for the front that canbe bolted in place with wing nuts and bolts when severe inclementweather threatens. They have spent most of their days out inthe hutch all summer and fall, so the adjustment should not be terriblydifficult.

I prepared a smaller inside cage for Ernest(ine), whose is now safelyenscounced therein as I type this. Ernest(ine) had originallybeen a house bunny until last winter, when circumstances predicatedhis/her owners move Ernest(ine) into a hutch at a neighbor'syard. In any case, Ernest(ine) is back in a house, wherehe/she probably belongs and Missy and Calbert are outsidewith one another.

The Missus could not handle three house rabbits as rabbit fur"floaters" drive her crazy. She vacuums at least once,sometimes twice a day. Ernest(ine) appears to beless of a shedder than Missy and Calbert, who were both longer haired,so that may ameliorate the situation a bit.

Let Ernest(ine) run about the house last evening.Dropped poops here and there, which is not unexpected...new, curious,excited, marking, afraid, etc. Also peed in a dark corner ofthe room...which Missy and Calbert never did, so I hope we aren'tcreating a "monster" here with Ernest(ine) becoming a house bunagain. I think things'll improve with time and familiarity.

Ernest(ine) lanquishes in the Missus arms, but has a tendency toscratch away at me when holding her/him in the living room.Yesterday my finger was even mouthed. No skin broken, but Igot the the message that Ernest(ine) did not like what was goingon. I think, possibly, that the TV may be source of annoyanceto the bun and will experiment more to see ifthat is simplywishful thinking upon my part, or, Ernest(ine) simply does not like me.

As I said, ya never can tell where the day is gonna go.

Buck
 
Another hermaphrodite lagomorph, Buck??



-Carolyn
 
Rabbit porn Bo! :p LOL

I think, Buck, it's a good idea to take the bunny to see someone whocould sex him/her better. It is so hard to tell sometimes, unless it'svery obvious. But maybe, like me, you begin to doubt yourself. We weretold Valuran was a girl, he was sexed and we were told this. Then I seethe obvious, yet still holda shred of doubt. The firstquestion I asked my vet was "Is he a boy??" With a grin, I was told,"Yes, he is DEFINITLY a boy." Even though there wereclearlytesticles, I had still doubted myself until Ihada professional opinion.

Also, now I'm just plain old very curious and want to know!
 
Oh my! Changes forsure! Poor Ernest(ine)! And we think we have troubledtimes! I'll tell ya Buck, I sure would have put my money onyou when it came to figuring out that sort ofthing....Ofcourse I never would have thought my husband wouldhave accepted a light from that drag queen at the bar one night either!:shock:I suppose that's a wholedifferentstory!I guess when things are cleverlydisguised, and we are led to believe that they are something that theyare not...you just have a hard time telling otherwise! ;)

I sure hope for the missus sake that thehouse transition goes well. Nobody likes floaters, poo's and wetcorners!

Raspberry
 
Far better men (and women!) have been hornswoggled by ambivalent genitalia!

A split penis (hypospadias) is common cause for confusion as thegenitalia can closely resemble that of a doe. Lacking proofof testicles Ernest(ine) may forever remain an enigma.

You will find that there is more of a perineum span (distance betweenthe rectum and penis/vulva)in bucks than in does.In does, the vulva is very closely connected to the rectum, where buckshave more distance between the rectum and the penis.

Pam


 
pamnock wrote:
Asplit penis (hypospadias) is common cause for confusion as thegenitalia can closely resemble that of a doe.
I think the guys here mighta just fainted, Pam. (or had heart palpatations at least.)

LOL.
 
pamnock wrote:
Far better men (and women!) have been hornswoggled by ambivalent genitalia!

A split penis (hypospadias) is common cause for confusion as thegenitalia can closely resemble that of a doe. Lacking proofof testicles Ernest(ine) may forever remain an enigma.

You will find that there is more of a perineum span (distance betweenthe rectum and penis/vulva)in bucks than in does.In does, the vulva is very closely connected to the rectum, where buckshave more distance between the rectum and the penis.

Pam
Thanks for the pointers. If anything, it does not look like asplit penis as there is nothing like a "taco shape" to it.Rectum is fairly close, not adjacent, but fairly close to thepenis. We can't find any "evidence" of testicles, but he/sheis pretty thickly furred in the nether regions.

If one was to ask me cold, what the sex of this rabbit it, I would saymale, but it is hard to disagree with the papers that say female andspayed, although much more serious medical mistakes have been made, Iam sure!

It is just that the senses tell you one thing, while the "paperwork," clearly states another. Silly thing, isn't it?

Buck
 
RaspberrySwirl wrote:
Oh my! Changes for sure! PoorErnest(ine)! And we think we have troubledtimes! I'll tell ya Buck, I sure would have put my money onyou when it came to figuring out that sort ofthing....Ofcourse I never would have thought my husband wouldhave accepted a light from that drag queen at the bar one night either!:shock:I suppose that's a wholedifferentstory!I guess when things are cleverlydisguised, and we are led to believe that they are something that theyare not...you just have a hard time telling otherwise! ;)

I sure hope for the missus sake that thehouse transition goes well. Nobody likes floaters, poo's and wetcorners!

Raspberry
Yeah, well, ya woulda lost that one, eh, Raspberry? Firsttime I've experienced this "problem" and if the paper work had neversuggested otherwise, I would still believe it is an Ernest and not anErnestine. Need a "professional" opinion to conclusivelysettle the question in our minds.

Of course, then, there was the time that the Missus was theonly "real" woman in a gay bar in Philadelphia we visited with her hairstylist, who in an earlier life had been married and fathered fourchildren. As you say, "I suppose that's a whole differentstory!" It is, and maybe we'll get a chance to share thosestories some day. LOL

Must admit to certain degree of guilt for relegating the married coupleout to the hinterlands, but they seem so much less needy thanErnest(ine) does being all alone and wounded from the scrap.

Buck
 
Our local breeder said without a doubt in hermind, that Ernestine is a doe!. The Missus is incredulous,and I simply will give it up, and assume the paperwork and breedercan't both be wrong. LOL

How incredibly stupid does that make one feel, eh?

Buck
 
Buck Jones wrote:
How incredibly stupid does that make one feel, eh?

Buck
I'll try to be gentle when I saythis...it is probably fitting that it was a female that caused all theconfusion! Of course you are always so kind to the women on this forum,however with all the stereotypes about women and men not being able toread them and whatnot....well, you get my meaning! ;)

Raspberry
 
Buck Jones wrote:
Our local breeder said without a doubt in her mind, thatErnestine is a doe!. The Missus is incredulous, and I simplywill give it up, and assume the paperwork and breeder can't both bewrong. LOL

How incredibly stupid does that make one feel, eh?

Buck


I have seen someuniquely sculpted "flowers" that could be cause for confusion :)

Pam


 
The Missus said she will not accept Ernest(ine)as a female until she hears it from an experienced rabbit savvyveterinarian. Said the genitals looked too much likeCalbrert's to be a doe and concluded with the comment that she wasgoing to call our vet and ask how much, "just to sex arabbit." I guess she figures she's entitled to a discount forsuch a "simple" request. LOL

The saga may continue....

Buck
 

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