2nd litter die in first day

[Hayase]

This is my rabbit's second litter



First Litter die without any survivor (1 Peanuts and 2 Normal) and only last up to 4th day due to Doe not giving milk or not having milk at all (Doe was just cleaning them and that's all). Some members told me it's common for first time Doe



Second Litter die, again without any survivor (2 Peanuts and 1 Normal) but this time less than 24 hours. I'm not too concern about peanuts since I was told they will not survive anyways but I do concern about why the normal one also die. I also told that baby rabbit can survive without milk for 2 days (my first litter even up to 3 days) and its stomach is still pinkish rather black so maybe it's not about hunger



any idea what's the cause of its sudden death ?

Thank you

 

[Heather]

Sorry you're having trouble.... how old is the doe and what is she eating? Is she housed on her own?

 

[Preitler]

Well, Strike Two. If nothing obvious is the cause I wouldn't keep or sell any offspring that might make it the 3rd time as breeding stock, just pets destined to be neutered, some does are not cut out to be mothers, and that's a genetic trait, you don't want to pass that on.

 

[Hayase]

Sorry you're having trouble.... how old is the doe and what is she eating? Is she housed on her own?

It is 1 y/o

both Male and Female are free roam rabbits inside my house, I have no other pets other than those two

It eats Timothy Hay and Pellets as main, while having raisins, bananas, apples etc as snack

Both are well-behaved (so far only 2 sofas chewed, and that's because I was away for week) and potty-trained (85%-90%) despite unfixed

 

[Christine]

Doe should always be housed separate and given a nesting box about a week before kindling .

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[Hayase]

Doe should always be housed separate and given a nesting box about a week before kindling .

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will try that later on

Honestly 2nd litter died too fast that when I gave it box, they're already dying

It didn't happen at 1st litter, I gave box right after it gave birth because I have no idea it is pregnant or even almost giving birth since it kinda looks the same

All I just notice that its weight is more than 1kg while usually 0.9kg (0.1kg up) and I thought it just being fat

 

[squidpop]

I have never had a first time does litter not live and I have been breeding for 6 years now. I breed Jersey Woolies and deal with dwarf genes too and all my first time doe litters have lived...

So I don't believe in the saying "first time does litters usually die"
What I really think is: First time does litters usually die because the first time breeder usually makes mistakes. "
( I don't mean to be mean... but I think you probably did something slightly wrong, because most first time breeders do.)

What I think might have gone wrong.

If your doe did not have milk... it is a sign she did not have the right nutrition. And also stress could cause her not to release milk—male bothering her while she is pregnant would be a stresser that is why you are supposed to seperate.

Also, If she didn't have the right nutrition that would mean the babies didn't develop in her tummy to be strong— so they were born weak and then she didn't feed them and then they died.

1. Buy the best brand pellets, look on this chart and buy the best ones you can buy-- I buy Burgess pellets for my rabbits which is top of this chart—http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/rabbit-food-comparison.asp

2. She also needs a mixture of high nutrition dark leafy lettuce greens, a little spinach, plus a little carrot, plus a little piece of brocoli,
Pick out the leafy greens with the most vitamins from the rabbit feeding chart here:
https://rabbit.org/suggested-vegetables-and-fruits-for-a-rabbit-diet/

3. I also give pregnant rabbits a teaspoon of linseeds every day because it has vitimen E and proteins and fats that are good for making milk.

Also, did you know that Rabbit make the richest milk in the world with more protien and fats than other animals including cows and sheeps and goats....

So that's why she needs the best nutrition.

Also.... if you want the babies to live make sure you have a nest box with at least 6 inch high sides so babies don't crawl out and freeze etc.... I put two bricks in front of a nest box with 8 inch high sides and my does walk up the bricks to get into the nest.

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Other thing I thing might have gone wrong

Also, besides all those nutrition things.... since you are having peanuts I know you are breeding a "true dwarf to true dwarf" That means your doe is a dwarf so very small, but she can give birth to babies that do not have any dwarf gene so they are large for her. That means you get babies that are big because they have no dwarf gene. And since she is a dwarf the big babies get stuck in the birth canal and squashed and die. Then any babies after the big baby usually die.
That's why many breeders try to have a "false dwarf" doe with no dwarf gene— because they are bigger and don't get stuck babies.

More about that here:
If you breed two true dwarf rabbits together, you willget (generally), 50% true dwarf, 25% false dwarf, and 25% peanuts. Peanuts are babies that inherit two dwarf genes. They lack the proper gene to grow, so they wither away within a few days. They basically become TOO dwarfy.May 23, 2014
What are False And True Dwarfs? - Holly's Hollands Rabbitry
hollyshollands.weebly.com/blog/what-are-false-and-true-dwarfs

 

[majorv]

One of those is stillborn so would be born dead. I’d give her one more chance and that’s it.

 

[squidpop]

Also I am wondering if the doe was left with the buck after breeding?

Because I just read some one else's post— And she had a litter with big babies and small babies that looked like the one here that died too.

She believed it was because she left the buck with the doe for week after breeding. She thought the doe got pregnant with the first baby on say a Monday and then could have gotten pregnant 5 days later on say a friday, so she was carrying a litter with two gestation dates— and so why she had big and small babies. I'm not sure her theory was correct, but its a good reason not to leave the buck with the doe.