Thumperina
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because I can't get metronidazole a normal way from the vet due to today being Sunday.
I am afraid she has clostridium infection because she is not eating for a few days or eating very little .
Something is possible happening ?
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I am afraid she has clostridium infection because she is not eating for a few days or eating very little .
It is very difficult, can try replenishing often, to make it more appealing, sprinkling something yummy on top (dried herbs, etc), cutting down on pellets (can’t remember if you feed any?)
I don’t see any benefit to activated charcoal as it doesn’t work in that way, but I am not an expert and it’s up to you what you want to try.
With “bad” bacteria proliferation it is the gas production that is the issue rather than the toxins produced, usually.
The only pre- and pro-biotics I have seen were sold by the Vets, so maybe you could give it a google to see if there is another source?
Clostridium proliferation is unlikely, it is usually only a result of high doses of certain antibiotics, and if serious is usually accompanied by severe diarrhoea. How are her faeces?
I wouldn’t suggest using products cross-species, and as it is an antibiotic treatment waiting one day won’t make a huge difference.
I don’t see any benefit to activated charcoal as it doesn’t work in that way, but I am not an expert and it’s up to you what you want to try.
With “bad” bacteria proliferation it is the gas production that is the issue rather than the toxins produced, usually.
The only pre- and pro-biotics I have seen were sold by the Vets, so maybe you could give it a google to see if there is another source?
Clostridium proliferation is unlikely, it is usually only a result of high doses of certain antibiotics, and if serious is usually accompanied by severe diarrhoea. How are her faeces?
I wouldn’t suggest using products cross-species, and as it is an antibiotic treatment waiting one day won’t make a huge difference.
Thumperina
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Pellets are offered but nobody eats them. Paul doesn't eat them since the time it became hot. usually a time when they eat pellets was overnight in garage, but everything is so messed up recently.
2 days ago I would say her poop was more or less OK for her. now I don't even know who is pooping where since I try not to disturb them. Paul is eating all the veggies I try to convince Thumperina to eat, he leaves messy cecals (not good, I know but what to do)
She scared me when I thought her ears felt cold. Measured her T, no, it was OK (under 103, 102 something ). I gave her 2 ml of simethicone.
2 days ago I would say her poop was more or less OK for her. now I don't even know who is pooping where since I try not to disturb them. Paul is eating all the veggies I try to convince Thumperina to eat, he leaves messy cecals (not good, I know but what to do)
She scared me when I thought her ears felt cold. Measured her T, no, it was OK (under 103, 102 something ). I gave her 2 ml of simethicone.
Thumperina
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need to know if I should go on with Baytril or not. Gave it yesterday night and this morning.
Thumperina
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Don't even know where to take her tomorrow. To "All creatures" guy vet? He doesn't have an ultrasound, his brother (also a vet) does, but I don't like his brother much (the brother sees small animals but several times proved he is not very knowledgeable). I won't have funds to pay for both, an ultrasound and Xray if they say there is a need.
there is also a vet I have never dealt with , she is rather far away but she also sees small animals. Somebody recommended her on our local net.
there is also a vet I have never dealt with , she is rather far away but she also sees small animals. Somebody recommended her on our local net.
Okay yeah I understand. That’s good that her poops were normal, if you aren’t sure who’s poops are who’s then that is good because it hopefully means they aren’t abnormal. Maybe it is worth stopping giving so much veg is she isn’t eating them and it is affecting not Paul’s caecotropes. Simethicone will be good for now, definitely.
How long have you been giving the baytril for? I would keep going until the vet tells you otherwise.
Do you have any exotics Vets near you, if not rabbit specialists? If not, all I can say is go with your gut.
Without doing a clinical exam i can’t really help you with what tests need to be done as it’s difficult to know what we are looking for. I wish I could help you more!
How long have you been giving the baytril for? I would keep going until the vet tells you otherwise.
Do you have any exotics Vets near you, if not rabbit specialists? If not, all I can say is go with your gut.
Without doing a clinical exam i can’t really help you with what tests need to be done as it’s difficult to know what we are looking for. I wish I could help you more!
Thumperina
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Still haven't been to the vet. Made lots of calls (learning about new vets that somebody recommended) , made an appointment for tomorrow.
A few questions:
Enlarged heart - is it a permanent condition that is seen on XRay? in other words, if a rabbit had an Xray done and no enlarged heart was seen, she probably doesn't have it, correct?
I am trying to figure out if I didn't accidentally overdose Revolution the last time
Her weight is 3.5 kg (7.8 lbs), concentration was 120 mg/ml. How many in ml did I need to give her? (I have my number, just wanted to compare)
A few questions:
Enlarged heart - is it a permanent condition that is seen on XRay? in other words, if a rabbit had an Xray done and no enlarged heart was seen, she probably doesn't have it, correct?
I am trying to figure out if I didn't accidentally overdose Revolution the last time
Her weight is 3.5 kg (7.8 lbs), concentration was 120 mg/ml. How many in ml did I need to give her? (I have my number, just wanted to compare)
Very sensible trying to find the best vet, good luck for tomorrow!
If it is only slightly enlarge it would be difficult to diagnose on X-ray but yes if pathologically enlarged usually you would see on X-ray. Of course, the X-ray was done a while ago? So there’s a chance it has become enlarged since then.
Usual dose range is 6-18mg/kg (but can be higher or lower depending on what you were treating for? So you would be safe giving 18x3.5 = 63mg, roughly half a ml? Sorry if my maths is off it’s been a long day lol. But it is very difficult to overdose on selamectin. How much did you give?
If it is only slightly enlarge it would be difficult to diagnose on X-ray but yes if pathologically enlarged usually you would see on X-ray. Of course, the X-ray was done a while ago? So there’s a chance it has become enlarged since then.
Usual dose range is 6-18mg/kg (but can be higher or lower depending on what you were treating for? So you would be safe giving 18x3.5 = 63mg, roughly half a ml? Sorry if my maths is off it’s been a long day lol. But it is very difficult to overdose on selamectin. How much did you give?
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Thumperina
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0.53 ml
for prevention purposes
for prevention purposes
Thumperina
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Indoors, which is 21 hrs a day, she is not eating anything. She is also limp and not interested in anything indoors.
Outdoors (morning only) she eats some grass but sort of briefly.
I am not sure how much longer she will hang around... yes taking her to a doc this afternoon but not sure if it is going to help much
Outdoors (morning only) she eats some grass but sort of briefly.
I am not sure how much longer she will hang around... yes taking her to a doc this afternoon but not sure if it is going to help much
Thumperina
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I don't know how sick she is but I know she is extremely depressed: By environmental changes + getting no treats recently compared to getting treats in the past. Not feeding them any treats WON"T have a result that she is eating what she needs to enthusiastically (hay). Seems like she would rather die. You may criticize me, but I just gave her a piece of carrot and she was very happy. If she is to die, there is no need to refuse her a treat as her last wish ! But she had been there in the past - eating next to nothing , and she survived (but it wasn't hot)
Thumperina
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I have a feeling that a solution would be to move her to a climate comfortable for outdoor rabbits and leave her alone.
Thumperina
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Sad news. Its cancer. He pulpated her belly and took a sample.
Thumperina
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he prescribed BAytril, but the problem is that I started in on Saturday, gave 2 times (sat eve and sun morning) then stopped as I wasn't sure if it was right (Im reading often that there can be lots of problems from AB misuse - don't give unless proven they are needed)
WOuld this cause a problem with drug resistance?
Her urine sample was clear but CBC suggested she is fighting some sort of infection
WOuld this cause a problem with drug resistance?
Her urine sample was clear but CBC suggested she is fighting some sort of infection
I can’t imagine resistance can build up that quickly, and baytril is a very safe antibiotic in rabbits so the benefits should outweigh the risks.
I am so sorry that it’s bad news
what an amazing fighter she is that this started so long ago and here she is still! And well done to you for your brilliant nursing too. She’s lucky you’re the one looking after her
I am so sorry that it’s bad news
what an amazing fighter she is that this started so long ago and here she is still! And well done to you for your brilliant nursing too. She’s lucky you’re the one looking after her
Thumperina
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thank you Popsicle. I feel totally bad that I didn't spay her, even couple years ago. even a year ago. Interesting, the "guy" vet, the one I saw yesterday, kept telling me in the past that he didn't recommend me to spay her due to her "old" age. He thought she wouldn't tolerate the surgery very well.
I also feel bad because I can't tell how miserable she feels, maybe she would prefer to die quick while I am making her suffer longer by feeding her, etc
I also feel bad because I can't tell how miserable she feels, maybe she would prefer to die quick while I am making her suffer longer by feeding her, etc
A lot of people seem to be under the misconception that age predisposes to anaesthetic death - in fact if proper anaesthetic protocols are used and IV fluid throughout it shouldn’t make a difference.
You can’t think about that now, you have still given her a fantastical life without spaying, and she has lived such a natural fantastic life compared to so many rabbits!
That is such a difficult call to make, especially with a rabbit. I know that we provide quality of life questionnaires for other species to help us make that decision, I will see if I can find one for rabbits.
You can’t think about that now, you have still given her a fantastical life without spaying, and she has lived such a natural fantastic life compared to so many rabbits!
That is such a difficult call to make, especially with a rabbit. I know that we provide quality of life questionnaires for other species to help us make that decision, I will see if I can find one for rabbits.
