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I've noticed that my 4 months old bunny makes weird poop and it is not cecotropes. Here are two photos of 2 poops: one normal and the second one is bigger, darker, more wet and smells bad. She makes these weird ones rarely, but everyday. What are they? I gave her poop to the vet to look through it under microscope but he said that it is all right. So what are they?
She is happy all the time and eats and drinks normally
 

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The top one looks like a crumbled fecal poop. The other one looks like a mushed up cecotrope or a cecotrope that isn't forming like normal and is pasty. If so then there is probably a dietary issue causing it, though some health issues can also be a cause. For a dietary issue I would not feed any sugary/high carb treats and I would reduce pellet amounts, and free feed a good quality grass hay making sure my rabbit is eating plenty of it. Then I would closely monitor body condition to make sure the rabbit maintains a healthy weight. I would also make sure the pellets I was feeding are a good quality one and if not I would transition to a better food pellet.

If it definitely isn't a wet squished cecotrope then it could be something in the diet like being sensitive to a particular veggie, there could be a parasite problem, or another health problem like liver issues.

Most likely is dietary, so that's where I would start.
 

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The top one looks like a crumbled fecal poop. The other one looks like a mushed up cecotrope or a cecotrope that isn't forming like normal and is pasty. If so then there is probably a dietary issue causing it, though some health issues can also be a cause. For a dietary issue I would not feed any sugary/high carb treats and I would reduce pellet amounts, and free feed a good quality grass hay making sure my rabbit is eating plenty of it. Then I would closely monitor body condition to make sure the rabbit maintains a healthy weight. I would also make sure the pellets I was feeding are a good quality one and if not I would transition to a better food pellet.

If it definitely isn't a wet squished cecotrope then it could be something in the diet like being sensitive to a particular veggie, there could be a parasite problem, or another health problem like liver issues.

Most likely is dietary, so that's where I would start.
Thanks! My bunny eats her cecotropes normally, this big dark wet poop is definitely not a ceco. I have noticed today that she produces this kind of poop right before or right after producing a cecotropes.
Her weight is ok, she eats a lot of timothy hay and the pellet I gave her is a good quality one. I'll try to give her less pellet and then I'll see
 

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What pellets can you tell us the name, ingredients, analysis and how much she gets daily, also she is 4 months old as I understood, what is her breed, size, weight etc? A few photo would help if you could post a pic of her, her food bowl if she gets vegetables or greens also which ones
 

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What pellets can you tell us the name, ingredients, analysis and how much she gets daily, also she is 4 months old as I understood, what is her breed, size, weight etc? A few photo would help if you could post a pic of her, her food bowl if she gets vegetables or greens also which ones
it is beaphar for junior rabbits. I give her a small bunch, it is about 30g. She is a mini lop, I don't know exactly how much does she weight but we went to vet last week and he said that her size and weight are ok. I haven't given her vegetables yet, I was planning to do it in April. Here is her photo from last week
 

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Is that Beaphar CARE+ Junior Rabbit or Beaphar XtraVital Junior Rabbit
 

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Sounds good, they say that you can feed them until she's 10 months.

I never fed Beaphar honestly but I know Hermelin https://www.rabbitsonline.net/members/hermelin.23610/ uses them with her mini lop not sure which ones though she said she was very happy with them.

I can tell you from my experience with juniors, I feed unlimited pellets until 4-4,5 months then start limiting otherwise they start gaining more weight. But your pellets don't have alfalfa at all.

I would agree with JBun one of poos in your photo looks like crushed fecal poo, it is hard to say for other ones, sometimes cecals come not fully formed as brown paste, I had one rabbit with GI problem when I adopted him, his cecals were exactly brown and soft not like we know them. He is well now and I never see his cecals but they were as you describe. He had horrible problems and nearly died his poos were also very tiny and deformed. From your description and photo of her normal poos she looks healthy and your diet sounds healthy. Maybe try massaging her belly if you think there could be any problem like bigger poos but her fecal poos would be also deformed if she had blockages.

So she has those soft big poos one per day for how long? I am not familiar with other health problems JBun mentioned like liver issues etc hopefully it's nothing serious.

There's nothing I could recommend to change in her diet if you say she eats lots of hay, drinks lots of water, it all sounds good to me. Maybe other member will know more, I'd just keep watching her if situation gets worse but hopefully there's nothing wrong with her

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Vegetable by-products (Timothy Hay 53%, herbal hay 10%, 5% chicory, Inulin 0.2%, yucca schidigera 0.05%, grape seed extract 0.01%), seeds, vegetable protein extracts, fruits (apple 5%) , minerals, oils and fats, Seaweed (spirulina powder 0.01%).

Additives/kg: Oregano: 120 mg.

Nutritional additives/kg: Vitamin A 9.000 IU, Vitamin D3 1000 IU, Vitamin E 100 IU, Vitamin C 350 mg, Vitamin K3 8.9 mg, Vitamin B1 20 mg, Vitamin B2 26 mg, Vitamin B6 23 mg, Vitamin B12 77 mg, niacin 130 mg, pantothenic acid 50 mg, biotin 660 mg, folic acid 3.5 mg, choline 1300 mg, E2 I (iodine) 1.53 mg, E4 Cu (copper) 12 mg, E5 Mn (manganese) 30 mg, E6 Zn (zinc) 60 mg, E8 Se (selenium) 0.06 mg.
 

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Sounds good, they say that you can feed them until she's 10 months.

I never fed Beaphar honestly but I know Hermelin https://www.rabbitsonline.net/members/hermelin.23610/ uses them with her mini lop not sure which ones though she said she was very happy with them.

I can tell you from my experience with juniors, I feed unlimited pellets until 4-4,5 months then start limiting otherwise they start gaining more weight. But your pellets don't have alfalfa at all.

I would agree with JBun one of poos in your photo looks like crushed fecal poo, it is hard to say for other ones, sometimes cecals come not fully formed as brown paste, I had one rabbit with GI problem when I adopted him, his cecals were exactly brown and soft not like we know them. He is well now and I never see his cecals but they were as you describe. He had horrible problems and nearly died his poos were also very tiny and deformed. From your description and photo of her normal poos she looks healthy and your diet sounds healthy. Maybe try massaging her belly if you think there could be any problem like bigger poos but her fecal poos would be also deformed if she had blockages.

So she has those soft big poos one per day for how long? I am not familiar with other health problems JBun mentioned like liver issues etc hopefully it's nothing serious.

There's nothing I could recommend to change in her diet if you say she eats lots of hay, drinks lots of water, it all sounds good to me. Maybe other member will know more, I'd just keep watching her if situation gets worse but hopefully there's nothing wrong with her

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Composition:
Vegetable by-products (Timothy Hay 53%, herbal hay 10%, 5% chicory, Inulin 0.2%, yucca schidigera 0.05%, grape seed extract 0.01%), seeds, vegetable protein extracts, fruits (apple 5%) , minerals, oils and fats, Seaweed (spirulina powder 0.01%).

Additives/kg: Oregano: 120 mg.

Nutritional additives/kg: Vitamin A 9.000 IU, Vitamin D3 1000 IU, Vitamin E 100 IU, Vitamin C 350 mg, Vitamin K3 8.9 mg, Vitamin B1 20 mg, Vitamin B2 26 mg, Vitamin B6 23 mg, Vitamin B12 77 mg, niacin 130 mg, pantothenic acid 50 mg, biotin 660 mg, folic acid 3.5 mg, choline 1300 mg, E2 I (iodine) 1.53 mg, E4 Cu (copper) 12 mg, E5 Mn (manganese) 30 mg, E6 Zn (zinc) 60 mg, E8 Se (selenium) 0.06 mg.
Thanks! I used to gibe her unlimited pellets before but she didn't eat hay then, so now she gets only a bunch.
She makes about 5-10 these soft poops for like 5 days? Everyday about 13.00-14.00, right before or right after eating her cecotropes. I was thinking that maybe it is something like ceco mixed with a regular poop? Honestly, I don't know, I just hope that it is nothing to worry about :( She eats and drink normally, her belly is really soft and she is very active
 

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This sounds a bit like cecal dysbiosis, when cecum produces poorly formed cecotropes, pasty stinky not looking like normal cecotropes. This is not a disease it often happens when your diet is too rich and usually when you remove pellets and vegs/greens for a few days you will see that should improve. But with your diet she doesn't get any greens yet and gets only 30 gram of high fibre pellets, maybe 16% protein is a bit too much as she's 4 months now maybe change pellets to ones with 13% protein, wait for other members maybe they will tell you more, I will just post analytical for your pellets here

Crude fiber 24%
Crude protein 16%
Crude ash 7.5%
Oils and fats 3.4%
Potassium 1.4%
Calcium 0.8%
Phosphorus 0.4%
Magnesium 0.19%
Natrium 0.17%
 

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Here's a link with information and recommendations they recommend min 19% fiber and max 14% protein for an adult. In my opinion 4 months is about an adult, I know Beaphar says you can feed until she's 10 months but maybe if you reduce protein your pasty cecals will disappear.
Think twice before changing food and if decided please do gradually, mixing old and new pellets over a couple weeks.

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Fibre: The higher the fibre content (look for a minimum of 18%) generally the better the food will be for your rabbit's digestion.
Protein: A healthy adult rabbit needs a protein level of 12-14%. Young rabbits (under five months) need a higher protein level of around 16% to support their rapid growth.
Calcium & Phosphorus: Calcium should be 0.5 - 1.0% and phosphorus 0.4-0.8%. Equally important is the ratio between the two (which should be 1.5-2:1 calcium to phosphorus).
Fat: 2.4-5%
Vitamins: Vitamin D 1000 IU/kg, Vitamin E 50 IU/kg, Vitamin A 10,000 IU/kg
Ingredients: The ingredients list will be in the order of the proportion included; with the ingredient the food contains most of listed first. Look for brands that list grass (e.g. timothy, alfalfa, fescue, hay or 'forage') ahead of cereals (e.g. wheat, oats, corn, or maize). As grass is higher in fibre and lower in protein than cereals, foods that are grass-based generally also have a more suitable nutritional balance.
 

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If you decide move her to other pellets
Beaphar Nature Rabbit 10+ looks good to me
Fiber 25%
Protein 13%
 

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Thanks everyone for answers! She made these soft big poops today right before making cecotropes (which she of course ate) sooo I don't know what's going on - maybe that's the way she just is. These poops only appear right before cecotropes, maybe it is a regular poop mixed with a cecotrope?
Anyway, besides that she is totally fine. Here is a picture of her eating timothy hay :) IMG_20200320_123703.jpg IMG_20200320_123703.jpg
 

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Thanks everyone for answers! She made these soft big poops today right before making cecotropes (which she of course ate) sooo I don't know what's going on - maybe that's the way she just is. These poops only appear right before cecotropes, maybe it is a regular poop mixed with a cecotrope?
Anyway, besides that she is totally fine. Here is a picture of her eating timothy hay :) View attachment 45813 View attachment 45813
She is too adorable!

What about treats? If you give her some, how often do you give it to her and what kind? She might be having too much sugar? The only other thing I would think is if something is stressing her out (unknown noises, being picked up, scared, etc). If it's not her diet or stress...then this is a head scratcher/mystery lol.
 

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She is too adorable!

What about treats? If you give her some, how often do you give it to her and what kind? She might be having too much sugar? The only other thing I would think is if something is stressing her out (unknown noises, being picked up, scared, etc). If it's not her diet or stress...then this is a head scratcher/mystery lol.
only timothy hay and pellets ‍♀
 

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Update: I didn't give her pellets yesterday and again, this big wet poops appeared shortly before cecotropes, even though she was eating only hay yesterday. Maybe it is nothing to worry about (I hope so) and it is just mixed cecotrope with a fecal poop. But anyway, thanks everyone for answers!
 
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