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CB Millicent

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I took 1.5 year old Rodger to the vet about 6 hours ago.

I was out of town for a week and came home last night. He was acting aloof but I thought he was mad. His mate is acting normally.

Today I noticed he stayed in a corner of the cage all day and didn't want to come out. When he refused a treat, I knew something was wrong.

The vet drew blood for EC and Pasturella, started him on TMS and Panacure, and gave him some SQ fluids. Because he is a VERY high strung bun, she gave him some Buprenex. It calmed him, but he seems loopy now.

I gave him 30 cc's of critical care 3 hours ago.

He's in a separate cage now and is still not eating or eliminating.

What else can I do?
 
I was on vacation for a week & vet thinks he freaked out at a change in his routine. He's a VERY highly strung bun! He got another 30 ml of critical care, Metacam and I'm on my way to get Reglan. He's nibbling alfalfa ( I know it's bad but he loves it and I wanted him to eat). Still no poop or pee! How long can this go on?!
 
He was fine the first few days. Didn't come out of cage last day. She couldn't tell if he was eating or pooping since he has a mate.
 

This sound much more like stasis to me.

Iwould get some simethicone ( infant gas drops ) and give1 cc ( a repeat every hr up to 3 doses if needed.

You can tell if if his belly is hard or if he is sitting with his stomach pressed to the floor.

You need to get him hydrated...possibly the vet can teach you to do sub q fluids but until then you should get some children's electrolyte drink ( pedialyte or a generic) . Unflavored is usually recommended but , to be honest, I have used the flavored for years on my rabbits with no ill effects.

Also get a fresh pineapple in order to squeeze fresh juice ( not canned , frozen or bottled).

SyringePedialyte (as much as he will take without stressing him) frequently. Also give several cc's of fresh pineapple juice several times per day.

When you mix the critical care be sure to make sure that you have added more liquid than in the directions. Make it thinner than directed Critical care that is not mixed with enough fluid can actually dehydrate a bun and it will also be easier to syringe it if it is thinner.

You can also syringe some pure unflavored canned pumpkin for fiber

if you can also get a dose of a probiotic in him (benebac) that may also be helpful
try some gentle tummy rubs and encourage him to run about to help the gut start moving.

Reglantechnically should not be given unless the vet has x-rayed the gut and ruled out an obstruction.

 
Sorry I just reread your post and I had missed your description of head tilt. which would account for the antibiotic... although trimethoprim sulfa probably is not the best choice if this should be a deep ear infection. The stasis most likely is a result of the infection.( if that is the problem)
 
I just gave him more (very watery) critical care but could only manage 15 cc's. He fought me tooth and nail. I was afraid it would be too stressful for him to continue. I'll try again in a few hours.

What would cause an obstruction?

I did listen to his tummy with my stethoscope tonight and only heard a few gurgles over a period of 1-2 minutes.

I suppose I should take him in for more SQ fluids tomorrow if he's still not eating much? He is nibbling at hay, but not really eating. He IS grooming himself and did hop around the room for awhile, but mostly just wants to lie down.
 
That sounds a lot like an obstruction... Obstructions can come from hairballs, and eating things they are not supposed to. Have you tried any laxatives yet?
 
Yes, Fresh pineapple juice is good -1/3 of cup mixed with 1/3 cup of olive oil and 1/3 cup of edible pure aloe vera gel ( I get that from General Nutrition,it is in a brown 32 ounce bottle and must be refrigerated).

Mix together and syringe 3 - 5 mls into the bunny and repeat in an hour...and then as needed. Keep the mixture in the refrigerator.Warm to room temperature before giving it to the bunny by placing in a pan of hot water. Do not microwave.

Chamomile tea is good for the tummy and very soothing for the bunny and seems to help get everything moving too. Don't forget pain medication and Simethicone.
 
evonnesart wrote:
Yes, Fresh pineapple juice is good -1/3 of cup mixed with 1/3 cup of olive oil and 1/3 cup of edible pure aloe vera gel ( I get that from General Nutrition,it is in a brown 32 ounce bottle and must be refrigerated).

Mix together and syringe 3 - 5 mls into the bunny and repeat in an hour...and then as needed. Keep the mixture in the refrigerator.Warm to room temperature before giving it to the bunny by placing in a pan of hot water. Do not microwave.

Chamomile tea is good for the tummy and very soothing for the bunny and seems to help get everything moving too. Don't forget pain medication and Simethicone.

Evonnesart do you have a website or book that describes the rationale behind this specific recipe? This info is all new to us on RO ....


 

Hello Angie,

Wediscovered , (a number of years ago), that fresh pineapple juicecombined with pure edible aloe vera juice/gel and olive oil, that the three can be combined in equal measure and syringe fed. This evolved from the older (now largely discarded) practice of feeding mineral oil as a laxative. Theoretically the enzymes in fresh *raw* pineapple (bromelain, ) will dissolve the mucous that acts as a matrix to hold hair and other ingesta in a block that cannot be voided naturally. The aloe is extremely healing to ulcerated guts, and it seems likely that any rabbit gut (very acid pH) that has slowed may endure some ulceration.This protocol has saved the lives of many rabbits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil[/url]
>>Olive oil is unlikely to cause [url=">allergic reactions, and as such is used in preparations for ear wax softener. Olive oil is also a potent blocker of intestinal contractions, and can be used to treat excessive NSAIDs like
 
I am really having a problem trying to post these links on this list...I hope this will work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil[/url]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloe#Aloin_in_OTC_laxative_products]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloe#Aloin_in_OTC_laxative_products[/url]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromelain]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromelain[/url]

http://www.planetbotanic.ca/fact_sheets/chamomile.htm]http://www.planetbotanic.ca/fact_sheets/chamomile.htm[/url]



Evonne
 
We had a member here who was considering using extra virgin olive oil for a bun with mega colon symptoms so severe that the bun was almost continually on Reglan.

She had also read about it on a group called Etherbun.

I bought a bottle awhile back telling myself that I would try it next time I had a bun with a slow gut ..but I haven't used it yet and neither has the girl with the mega-colon bun.

I would be concerned with the ability of the rabbit's system to deal withoil but I do believe that you have used it successfully.

We don't advocate the use of petroleum products on this forum either...

This is interesting ...

Thanks for the info :)
 
Angie, You are very welcome. Members on my list ( The Natural Rabbit) have been using thisprotocol for about6 years now and we have never lost a bunny. I too was interested to hear that they were catching on about the olive oil on EB..the more that know about it, the better it will for blocked bunnies...but I recommend adding the aloe vera and fresh pineapple juice too.

As a matter of fact Ihave beenusing our combo today for a bunny I'm pet sitting who demolished the whole side of a vacuum cleaner box and had teeny little poopsthis morning and then nothing! I'm happy to tell you that tonight, after having administered the protocol 3 x today and given him fluids, he has nice big poops tonight and is eating hay!;o)

Evonne
 
Re the ability of the rabbit digestive system to handle olive oil: unsaturated plant oils are highly digestible by rabbits. Most of the breakdown and absorption of fats occurs in the small intestine, and the presence of fat is needed for the absorption of several vitamins and for the production of motilin, which is necessary for normal gut movement in rabbits.

Fats have many other beneficial effects on rabbits - in moderation of course.
 

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