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I am soon in need of a checkup of my French lop boy Musti and I live in an area not many vets have the skills to deal with rabbits. Does anyone happen to know any rabbit-friendly vets in Estonia?
 

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I am soon in need of a checkup of my French lop boy Musti and I live in an area not many vets have the skills to deal with rabbits. Does anyone happen to know any rabbit-friendly vets in Estonia?
Hi, welcome aboard :)
I don't know but just did some quick research for you if you follow this link you will see a list of veterinarians in Estonia pinned to google maps and on the left side there are their contact details you can contact them and ask if they have experience with rabbits, also please read reviews what their clients say about every clinic hope you'll be able to find one that suits you, good luck!
https://www.google.ie/maps/search/veterinarian+estonia/@58.6750033,22.6124907,7z/data=!3m1!4b1
 

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Thank you very much! It's been a great starting point.
Although not related to rabbit vets or such, I still have a question about my rabbit's behaviour. He constantly licks me when I pluck his excess hair. I've heard that it's a way for him to say thanks and groom me in return. Now here's a weird thing about that licking. He also licks me when he looks really grumpy, fussy or otherwise angry. Does that mean he wants me to stop whatever I am doing?
Should I be worried if my lop constantly has a bit grimy eyes? Or might it be from the fact that he lives in our safe, half-spacious outdoor habitat?
Also, what should I do if no amount of explaining about why rabbits need as many vegs as we do helps to convince my parents otherwise?
 

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Maybe he just loves you :)

For another question about vegetables we need to know what is hid diet, what he eats daily and how much. Also how old he is, vegetables are good from about 4-6 months old and introduced slowly, also not all vegetables would be good for them green leafy are good but carrot is good only in small doses like thumb-sized and only twice a week as it is too high on sugar. Tell us what you feed him and more details and we' can discuss :)
 

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Welcome! When you say "grimy eyes" do you mean little eye boogies like humans sometimes get when they're sleeping... and if so, is he a solo rabbit (not part of a bonded pair)? We have one pair and two solo rabbits - the pair never have little eye boogies because they groom each other but with the solo rabbits I check for and remove them myself whenever I handle them. If that's what you're talking about, it's totally normal.

Unlimited hay is more important than lots of leafy green veggies and rabbits only truly *need* a really wide variety and large amounts of veggies if you're doing a pellet-free diet (as opposed to the normal 1/4 c or so per 6 lbs). Yes, leafy greens are ideal because they help the rabbit stay hydrated, provide additional vitamins (though vitamins are also in pellets) and are very low-calorie, allowing the rabbit to munch away on them without getting chubby. Also, they're just plain delicious to rabbits! But, if your parents are being really stubborn about it then don't beat yourself up about it - just get him what veggies you can as often as you can.

One thing that you can do is ask to speak with the produce department manager at your local grocery store(s) - they often throw away a great deal of stuff that's leafy and green because it's the "throw away" parts of non-leafy veggies that are removed when they trim stuff before putting it out for sale (carrot tops, beet greens, broccoli and celery leaves, etc.). Sometimes it's possible to make arrangements with the manager to have them save that stuff and let you come get it a couple times a week instead of it just going in the garbage. If they ever use fresh vegetables in the cafeteria at your school, you could ask the employees if there's ever any extra you might be able to take home for your pet rabbit.

Also look for cheap leafy options - we're on a tight budget, but in Texas a bundle of cilantro is only 38c... rabbits love the stuff and there's no need to limit it like you need to do with certain other greens (because of their oxalic acid content or because they're cruciferous). No clue what produce prices are like in your country, but there's probably something that's especially cheap and plentiful. You might also ask them if you could do an extra chore here and there in exchange for them buying more rabbit veggies.
 

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Also look for cheap leafy options - we're on a tight budget, but in Texas a bundle of cilantro is only 38c.
And here I am thinking I got a good deal on cilantro at 90c a bundle lol.
He constantly licks me when I pluck his excess hair.
He must really like you! All I get is bit and scratched.
 
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HEB (TX only chain), Walmart or Krogers, depending on where I'm doing my shopping. HEB tends to have better variety and quality... Walmart sucks in those departments (not to mention they don't even sell green or red leaf lettuce at ALL which are the only two hubby and I eat) but if I'm there anyway and we're out of veggies, I'll snag some kale or curly parsley and cilantro. Krogers has good prices, variety and quality for produce but we don't shop there very often (usually once a month because that's where we fill RXs).
 

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I'm like 90% sure that Walmart used to sell red leaf but I haven't seen it in months. I can usually find green leaf there though. Bugs has issues with kale and collard greens so they don't get those unless they don't have much of their other stuff in stock. I don't think it's fair to feed it to Evie when he can't have it because he really likes kale. I find that sometimes my Walmart veggies have little bugs in them and it grosses me out because I do all of the veggie preparing on my bed. I normally get my veggies at Walmart or Fareway (a midwestern chain that I used to work at) but because I can't drive I'm stuck getting veggies wherever I can. There isn't a Kroger near me which sucks :/
 
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Maybe he just loves you :)

For another question about vegetables we need to know what is hid diet, what he eats daily and how much. Also how old he is, vegetables are good from about 4-6 months old and introduced slowly, also not all vegetables would be good for them green leafy are good but carrot is good only in small doses like thumb-sized and only twice a week as it is too high on sugar. Tell us what you feed him and more details and we' can discuss :)
Well, he gets a heck ton of unlimited, untreated hay straight from the fields, it is both strawy and long, but also has thinner particles and he really loves munching on it.
I give him pellets free of any fruits or stuff since he's chubby enough(chubbier than i'd like but maybe big frenchie lops just have double chins and a bit extra skin). I try to limit these to 100g a day but my mom keeps giving him extra of those so in return i give that amount less. We got him in the end of june(he was born 30.01.19) so he's about eight months old now. When we got him, he only had unlimited pellets and hay, so we reduced pellets immedeately and mixed in dandelion leaves, apple twigs and leaves and other natural stuff rabbits normally munch on. He took fondly into it. I let him roam around and scourge for himself as much as possible, while making sure he doesn't eat my neighbours' weird flowers. I try to give him lettuce, lollo and chinese cabbage, which he does seem to like. Occasionally, rarely, even, he gets a centimeter of banana or dried grape stems. I don't give him carrots and scold my mom for giving him too much.
Unfortunately, he is my bunny and my parents haven't really dug into any research about rabbit diet so it's up to me to give advice and stuff.
 

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Hi, your diet sounds very good only when you got him it was okay to give him 100 gram as he was growing but after 4 months pellets should be limited to 60 gram per day. Also what brand and type of pellets you can check what's written on package, often junior pellets are based on alfalfa and contain too much protein so after 4 months you can transfer him (slowly, gradually) to another type, with minimum fibre 19% and less protein, also maybe without alfalfa in them.
 

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Welcome! When you say "grimy eyes" do you mean little eye boogies like humans sometimes get when they're sleeping... and if so, is he a solo rabbit (not part of a bonded pair)? We have one pair and two solo rabbits - the pair never have little eye boogies because they groom each other but with the solo rabbits I check for and remove them myself whenever I handle them. If that's what you're talking about, it's totally normal.

Unlimited hay is more important than lots of leafy green veggies and rabbits only truly *need* a really wide variety and large amounts of veggies if you're doing a pellet-free diet (as opposed to the normal 1/4 c or so per 6 lbs). Yes, leafy greens are ideal because they help the rabbit stay hydrated, provide additional vitamins (though vitamins are also in pellets) and are very low-calorie, allowing the rabbit to munch away on them without getting chubby. Also, they're just plain delicious to rabbits! But, if your parents are being really stubborn about it then don't beat yourself up about it - just get him what veggies you can as often as you can.

One thing that you can do is ask to speak with the produce department manager at your local grocery store(s) - they often throw away a great deal of stuff that's leafy and green because it's the "throw away" parts of non-leafy veggies that are removed when they trim stuff before putting it out for sale (carrot tops, beet greens, broccoli and celery leaves, etc.). Sometimes it's possible to make arrangements with the manager to have them save that stuff and let you come get it a couple times a week instead of it just going in the garbage. If they ever use fresh vegetables in the cafeteria at your school, you could ask the employees if there's ever any extra you might be able to take home for your pet rabbit.

Also look for cheap leafy options - we're on a tight budget, but in Texas a bundle of cilantro is only 38c... rabbits love the stuff and there's no need to limit it like you need to do with certain other greens (because of their oxalic acid content or because they're cruciferous). No clue what produce prices are like in your country, but there's probably something that's especially cheap and plentiful. You might also ask them if you could do an extra chore here and there in exchange for them buying more rabbit veggies.
Yes, he has those boogey-type thingies that can mostly be gently wiped away, sometimes it's a tad bit oozier but still easy to clean. Unfortunately, he is a non-neutered lone male right now, and my parents don't intend to get him a friend for many reasons.( We lack space for two, we expected to get a mini frenchie as said before,not the big one,but no complaints. Mom doesn't want to give my bun a neuter, not even find a vet, which can be problematic, but i'm dealing with it slowly.)
He gets unlimited, pesticide-free field hay and as many vegetables as i can provide, mainly lettuce and chinese cabbage. We live in a rular village where the store doesn't even sell leafy stuff that isn't halfway witherered or wilting, and i'm not even going to talk about how expensive stuff is here. 2€\kg for oversized, half wilted chinese cabbage? 1.20€ for a tiny pot of lettuce? I'm not buying THAT. (Considering that further away in the city, a "cheap" average pot of lettuce is around 0.80€ and when on sale, the cheapest i've found is 0.55€. Given that i have absolutely no income on my own(and i don't have such thing as pocket money/allowance) getting hands on those vegs is hard) So it's a far dream that our local store has any leftover greenery. We probably don't have cliantro so cheap, considering that a teeny package of 50g costs 1.00€
We are located FAAAR AWAY from our capital city, so there's not much to hope. Also, IS ROME SALAD OKAY to give? A big chunk of that is cheaper than a little package of cliantro.
 

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Hi, your diet sounds very good only when you got him it was okay to give him 100 gram as he was growing but after 4 months pellets should be limited to 60 gram per day. Also what brand and type of pellets you can check what's written on package, often junior pellets are based on alfalfa and contain too much protein so after 4 months you can transfer him (slowly, gradually) to another type, with minimum fibre 19% and less protein, also maybe without alfalfa in them.
Nah, we don't get them pellets from the petstore, those are expensive, processed and full of junk. We buy our 20kg packets of pure pellets from a company that specializes in bunny pellets. That big bag costs only 11€. Note that we use the "pet" bunny pellets, not the "food" bunny pellets (i think that the pet ones have less calcium and stuff and contain more fibre) I haven't really looked at what's exactly in it, but i know for a fact that alfalfa is not a part of that. The mixture is kind of crude and more brown-ish and yellow--ish than green. I have actually eaten some pellets myself(i have no idea why, shared with my pet, most likely) and they tasted very much like hay-based stuff, because as far as my knowledge goes, alfalfa is more grassy.
 

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Yes, he has those boogey-type thingies that can mostly be gently wiped away, sometimes it's a tad bit oozier but still easy to clean. Unfortunately, he is a non-neutered lone male right now, and my parents don't intend to get him a friend for many reasons.( We lack space for two, we expected to get a mini frenchie as said before,not the big one,but no complaints. Mom doesn't want to give my bun a neuter, not even find a vet, which can be problematic, but i'm dealing with it slowly.)
He gets unlimited, pesticide-free field hay and as many vegetables as i can provide, mainly lettuce and chinese cabbage. We live in a rular village where the store doesn't even sell leafy stuff that isn't halfway witherered or wilting, and i'm not even going to talk about how expensive stuff is here. 2€\kg for oversized, half wilted chinese cabbage? 1.20€ for a tiny pot of lettuce? I'm not buying THAT. (Considering that further away in the city, a "cheap" average pot of lettuce is around 0.80€ and when on sale, the cheapest i've found is 0.55€. Given that i have absolutely no income on my own(and i don't have such thing as pocket money/allowance) getting hands on those vegs is hard) So it's a far dream that our local store has any leftover greenery. We probably don't have cliantro so cheap, considering that a teeny package of 50g costs 1.00€
We are located FAAAR AWAY from our capital city, so there's not much to hope. Also, IS ROME SALAD OKAY to give? A big chunk of that is cheaper than a little package of cliantro.
If I'd live on a countryside I'd be growing my vegetables and herbs! It is so easy just sow some cilantro, thyme, dill, mint, or buy if they sell herbs in pots in your supermarket you can use them just cut the greens and what is in the pot you can use as seedlings just plant them and they will regrow in a couple weeks and you will have your own for free! You can even grow on your windowsill all year round, I grow some herbs even on my landlords backyard :)
 

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Nah, we don't get them pellets from the petstore, those are expensive, processed and full of junk. We buy our 20kg packets of pure pellets from a company that specializes in bunny pellets. That big bag costs only 11€. Note that we use the "pet" bunny pellets, not the "food" bunny pellets (i think that the pet ones have less calcium and stuff and contain more fibre) I haven't really looked at what's exactly in it, but i know for a fact that alfalfa is not a part of that. The mixture is kind of crude and more brown-ish and yellow--ish than green. I have actually eaten some pellets myself(i have no idea why, shared with my pet, most likely) and they tasted very much like hay-based stuff, because as far as my knowledge goes, alfalfa is more grassy.
That's interesting and really cheap, could you tell me what brand or maybe a link to their website so I could see components
 

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That's interesting and really cheap, could you tell me what brand or maybe a link to their website so I could see components
I am not sure that you understand estonian, or if there is that sort of info on the website, but i'll try.
 

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Well, maybe Google can translate it for me :)
 

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The company that produces the food pellets is baltic agro, but when i looked up on the internet, they didn't have the exact info about these pellets. Oddly, the package doesn't have mutritional info? We have the company's warehouse nearby so we get the pellets straight from the stock. Just to help, there's the logo.
 

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