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Classic Pet Rabbit Food sold at Petco

Ingredients: wheat middlings,dehydrated alfalfa meal, dehulled soybean meal, soybean hulls, ground corn, cane molasses, oat groats, soybean oil, lignin sulfonate....

*FYI - the first name in the list is what makes up the greatest percentage of the "recipe". So, the above pellets are mostly made of wheat middlings.

crude protein - minimum %17
crude fiber - maximum %15

Wheat middlings according to http://www.tribeequus.com/label.html
is a by product used as an inexpensive filler, has little to no nutritional value, and are essentially "floor sweepings". It may also
contain alot of dirt and mold spores.

Is this a dangerously unhealthy pellet? Opinions, please.
 
I consider most of Hartz' foods to be dangerously unhealthy. I had never looked at the label for this one (no Petco in the area), but no way would I feed that. And I would certainly do a little educating for anyone who mentions to me that they feed this. As it is, I always recommend <16% protein and >18% fiber, preferably timothy for adults. The Humane Society I volunteer at pushes timothy pellets for adults too.

Geez, even Small World lists alfalfa first! And I hate that stuff with a passion.
 
Thanks. I'm seriously thinking about making an educational video against these, specifically, and uploading it to YouTube. Just wondering if it's worth it to get sued by Hartz!
 
LM Animal Farms Bonanza Bounti-Buffet for Rabbits

Wheat middlings, dehydrated alfalfa meal, oat groats, whole corn, soybean meal, ground corn, soybean hulls, wheat, sunflower seed, cane molasses, safflower seed, navy beans, dehydrated papaya, shelled peanuts, dehydrated carrots, hydrolyzed animal and vegetable fat, green split peas, calcium carbonate, raisins, dicalcium phosphate, corn gluten meal, dried banana, iodized salt, soybean oil, lignin sulfonate, limestone, meat and bone meal, dehydrated apple, pumpkin seed, brewers dried yeast, dried egg product, l-lysine, dl-methionine, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation extract, yucca schidigera extract, saccharomyces cerevisiae, dried entercococcus faecium extract, animal fat (preserved with BHA), propionic acid, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex and menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite (sources of vitamin K), thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, niacin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, biotin, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, choline chloride, calcium pantothenate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate, copper sulfate, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, ferrous carbonate, ferrous sulfate, magnesium oxide, manganese sulfate, manganous oxide, potassium chloride, sodium selenite, zinc oxide, zinc sulfate, natural & artificial flavor, color added (yellow #5, yellow #6, blue #1, blue #2, red #3, red #40, titanium dioxide), ethoxyquin (a preservative).

Crude protein (min.) 16%, crude fat (min.) 4%, crude fiber (max.) 15%, moisture (max.) 12%, vitamin A 8,000 i.u./kg, vitamin D3 900 i.u./kg, vitamin E 50 i.u./kg.

LM Animal Farms Classic Blend Rabbit Food

Dehydrated alfalfa meal (preserved with ethoxyquin), ground yellow corn, ground oats, solvent extracted soybean meal, ground barley, wheat red dog, solvent extracted linseed meal, dried whey, cane molasses, dicalcium phosphate, animal fat (preserved with BHA), calcium carbonate, sodium phosphate, salt, irradiated dried yeast (source of vitamin D2), choline chloride, vitamin A palmitate, riboflavin, vitamin B12 supplement, niacin, calcium pantothenate, traces of maganous oxide, ferrous carbonate, zinc oxide, iron oxide, cobalt carbonate, calcium iodate.

Crude protein (min.) 17%, crude fat (min.) 3%, crude fiber (max.) 16%, moisture (max.) 10%, vitamin A 3125 i.u./lb., vitamin D 750 i.u./lb., vitamin E 34.93 i.u./lb., vitamin K 3.76 mg/lb., vitamin B1 2.57 mg/lb., riboflavin 5.89 mg/lb., vitamin B6 3.25 mg/lb., d-pantothenic acid 16.17 mg/lb., niacin 44.36 mg/lb., choline 691.39 mg/lb., folic acid 0.9 mg/lb.

LM Animal Farms Classic Rabbit Food

Wheat middlings, dehydrated alfalfa meal, dehulled soybean meal, soybean hulls, ground corn, cane molasses, oat groats, soybean oil, lignin sulfonate, salt, calcium carbonate, dl-methionine, magnesium oxide, choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganous oxide, manganese sulfate, zinc sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, cobalt carbonate, dried saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation extract, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation extract, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract.

Crude protein (min.) 17.0%, crude fat (min.) 3.5%, crude fiber (max.) 15.0%, moisture (max.) 12.0%.

LM Animal Farms Vita Vittles Gold Total Diet for Rabbits

Wheat middlings, dehydrated alfalfa meal, soybean hulls, ground corn, soybean meal, calcium phosphate, toasted corn flakes, kibbled corn, pork meat and bone meal, cane molasses, limestone, iodized salt, hydrolyzed animal and vegetable fat, fish meal, ground oats, lignin sulfonate, soybean oil, l-lysine, dl-methionine, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex and menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite (sources of vitamin K), biotin, calcium pantothenate, choline chloride, folic acid, niacin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, sodium selenite, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate, copper amino acid chelate, copper oxide, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, ferrous sulfate, iron carbonate, manganese amino acid chelate, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, zinc amino acid chelate, zinc oxide, zinc sulfate, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation extract, saccharomyces cerevisiae, yucca shidigera extract, color added (yellow #5, yellow #6, blue #1), ethoxyquin (a preservative).

Crude protein (min.) 17%, crude fat (min.) 2%, crude fiber (max.) 16%, moisture (max.) 12%, vitamin A (min.) 8,000 i.u./kg, vitamin D3 (min.) 900, vitamin E (min.) 50 i.u./kg.

LM Animal Farms Vita-Vittles Rabbit Food

Wheat middlings, dehulled soybean meal, dehydrated alfalfa meal, ground corn, flaked corn, kibbled corn, soybean hulls, cane molasses, calcium carbonate, soybean oil, corn gluten meal, dicalcium phosphate, lignin sulfonate, oat groats, salt, potassium chloride, l-lysine, dl-methionine, propionic acid (a preservative), yucca schidigera extract, ascorbic acid, choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione bisulfite complex, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganous oxide, manganese sulfate, zinc sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, color added (yellow 5, yellow 6, red 40, blue 1, titanium dioxide), dried saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation extract, dried enterococcus fermentation extract, dried aspergillus oryzae extract, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract.

Crude protein (min.) 17.0%, crude fat (min.) 2.0%, crude fiber (max.) 16.0%, moisture (max.) 12.0%.
 
hydrolyzed animal and vegetable fat, meat and bone meal, dried egg product, dried entercococcus faecium extract, animal fat (preserved with BHA), pork meat and bone meal, fish meal... YUM!!!!!!! (read with sarcasm, please)

So, JadeIcing, I take it you're not a fan of this brand, either. Excellent research. I couldn't find it on the 'net. I had to buy the stupid bag! I hope you were able to copy/paste all this.

One site I found says that wheat middlings are usually one of the pathway ingredients for Mycotoxin poisoning in moldy hay and pellets.
 
One of the worst pet products companies. Notorious for very very low quality and sometimes dangerous (dog/cat flea med for example) products. Disgusts me how a company can sell/promote such low quality products!
Definitely rather feed no pellets than these pellets! Junk!
 
Flick wrote:
Wheat middlings according to http://www.tribeequus.com/label.html
is a by product used as an inexpensive filler, has little to no nutritional value, and are essentially "floor sweepings". It may also
contain alot of dirt and mold spores.

Is this a dangerously unhealthy pellet? Opinions, please.

Instead of relying on "facts" found on the internet you might want to researchwhat the real source of wheat millings.

After reading the whole chart I'm under the opinion it was put together by a very biased person. It really degraded kelp yet kelp is one of the healthiest food source.
 
The real source of wheat middlings is... WHEAT!!!!!!!!

http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/library/lvstk2/mf2353.pdf

This article from Kansas State University states that "no practical way exists for commercial milling operations to produce flour to the buyer's specification(s) and
simultaneously produce a standardized WM [Wheat Middling]".

In other words, there are no controls over what wheat middlings are. No standardizations. Ergo, there's no way to know exactly what is in the wheat middlings. It's a leftover wheat by-product.

And, I can't find any "facts" on the internet nor in the numerous reference books about rabbits that I have in my personal library which state that a wheat based diet is healthy for rabbits.
 
Flick wrote:
Is this a dangerously unhealthy pellet? Opinions, please.
No, not really.
BUT they aren't nutritional. Nor would they meet nutritional needs, then again, neither would alot of rabbit pellets considered to be 'complete' by a lot of people.
A lot of "good" pellets also contain the listed ingredients, but quite a few people on here would buy food by recommendation without checking ingredients, no?
IMO pellets shouldn't be the main source of nutrition anyway.

So the answer is no, they are not dangerously unhealthy but they also wouldn't meet nutritional needs.

I have been working on videos for youtube on dangerous/bad pet foods (dogs, ferrets, cats, rabbits, guinea pigs, rats/mice and even falconry birds) :)

 
I could see doing a video on checking pellet labels, and using this crud as an example of things to avoid. Wheat middlings, for example, are a common additive- they're in Oxbow timothy which I feed- but it's usually farther down the list.

Do you have a video on pellets yet? I did a quick check and didn't see anything.
 
Flick wrote:
hydrolyzed animal and vegetable fat, meat and bone meal, dried egg product, dried entercococcus faecium extract, animal fat (preserved with BHA), pork meat and bone meal, fish meal... YUM!!!!!!! (read with sarcasm, please)

So, JadeIcing, I take it you're not a fan of this brand, either. Excellent research. I couldn't find it on the 'net. I had to buy the stupid bag! I hope you were able to copy/paste all this.

One site I found says that wheat middlings are usually one of the pathway ingredients for Mycotoxin poisoning in moldy hay and pellets.



Petco site. Click on the ingrediants tab and it tells you. ;):DNo I am not a fan.
 
Flick wrote:
If they wouldn't meet the nutritional needs, how could they not be dangerously unhealthy?

Good for you for developing videos!!!! :)))) Here are my channels on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/FastUpOnRabbitCare

http://www.youtube.com/user/Velveteenlop

You'll also see some of my videos on MediRabbit.com
Just because something doesn't meet nutritional needs, doesn't mean it is dangerously unhealthy. Lettuce for example - lettuce is a great food, but it doesn't meet all nutrtional needs, does that make is dangerously unhealthy? eh, nope!
What I mean is, if you feed the pellets, they won't be dangerously unhealthy, nor will you have any bad effects (unless your rabbit has an allergy to any of the ingredients) if you feed them, but they shouldn't be the primary source of nutrition (nor should any pellets IMO). :)
 
naturestee wrote:
Do you have a video on pellets yet? I did a quick check and didn't see anything.
Working up to doing a video on pellets, hence my interest and outrage at finding these on the shelves. Right now I'm working on a video with/for MediRabbit.com about ear mites. I have an ear mite video on my YouTube channels, but the MediRabbit one will give (hopefully) more medical information. For example I'm working on a schematic of the ear mite anatomy.

Who knew ear mites had anatomies? Eeeeeeuuuuuwwwwwwww!

 
Luv-bunniz wrote:
Flick wrote:
If they wouldn't meet the nutritional needs, how could they not be dangerously unhealthy?

Good for you for developing videos!!!! :)))) Here are my channels on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/FastUpOnRabbitCare

http://www.youtube.com/user/Velveteenlop

You'll also see some of my videos on MediRabbit.com
Just because something doesn't meet nutritional needs, doesn't mean it is dangerously unhealthy. Lettuce for example - lettuce is a great food, but it doesn't meet all nutrtional needs, does that make is dangerously unhealthy? eh, nope!
What I mean is, if you feed the pellets, they won't be dangerously unhealthy, nor will you have any bad effects (unless your rabbit has an allergy to any of the ingredients) if you feed them, but they shouldn't be the primary source of nutrition (nor should any pellets IMO). :)
You're right, IF they are only a small part of the diet.
Problem is, a lot of people still feed either mainly pellets, or sometimes even only pellets.
THAT would definitely make it a dangerously unhealthy feed.
 
tonyshuman wrote:
What bothers me is the animal products in them. Rabbits are supposed to be vegetarians!
Not only that, but you have no idea what animals those byproducts are from, or how healthy they were. Not to mention what both those animal products, and the wheat-middlings were treated or mixed with.
 
Flick wrote:
Thanks. I'm seriously thinking about making an educational video against these, specifically, and uploading it to YouTube. Just wondering if it's worth it to get sued by Hartz!

You can make videos about the relative qualities of different ingredients, after all, most companies do use those same ingredients.



If you mention the Hartz name in a derogatory way, they have every right to come after you if you defame their product.
 
Hazel-Mom wrote:
Luv-bunniz wrote:
Flick wrote:
If they wouldn't meet the nutritional needs, how could they not be dangerously unhealthy?

Good for you for developing videos!!!! :)))) Here are my channels on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/FastUpOnRabbitCare

http://www.youtube.com/user/Velveteenlop

You'll also see some of my videos on MediRabbit.com
Just because something doesn't meet nutritional needs, doesn't mean it is dangerously unhealthy. Lettuce for example - lettuce is a great food, but it doesn't meet all nutrtional needs, does that make is dangerously unhealthy? eh, nope!
What I mean is, if you feed the pellets, they won't be dangerously unhealthy, nor will you have any bad effects (unless your rabbit has an allergy to any of the ingredients) if you feed them, but they shouldn't be the primary source of nutrition (nor should any pellets IMO). :)
You're right, IF they are only a small part of the diet.
Problem is, a lot of people still feed either mainly pellets, or sometimes even only pellets.
THAT would definitely make it a dangerously unhealthy feed.
Most pellets that are considered good quality would be bad as most of all of the diet, though. ;)
 

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