This might be a challenge. They call them "ordinaries" at pet shops here. I'm thinking they've still got to come from specific breeds, right? I'm just curious.Or is it impossible to determine if it's third or fourth generation mixed? :biggrin: Marbles is gray and white. Black eyes. Short, sleek fur.Approximately, he'll be3 monthsold tomorrow, Valentine's Day. :heartsNot much fur at the back of his ears. Mocha is brown and white with very slight grays woven in. Luminous gray eyes,eeriely beautiful. Slightly longer, definitelyfluffier (I don't know how else to call it) fur. Approximately 7-8 weeks. I highly doubt there's any bit of dwarf in there. Marbles is huge. When I trance him, he covers everything from my elbow to my hand and I'm 5'6". (I really should measure him one of these days.) Although for some reason, Mocha doesn't seem to be growing as fast as Marbles did. Marbles isa jumper. Can clear 3 feet without a running start. He's done that since he was 7 weeks old. Mocha's the runner. Won't stop running. She has better posture. I don't know if any of that helps at all.