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-Rabbits won't eat if they cannot drink. Make sure the ball bearings ofyour rabbits' water bottles are not stuck closed. It's suggested togive outside rabbits water bowls/crocks in the wintertime because theballs in a watter bottle freeze.

-Iceberg lettuce is not the lettuce of choice for rabbits, especially young ones.

-Feed store rabbit pellets are generally fresher and more nutritious than pet store rabbit pellets.

-Don't overfeed treats, especially those containing sugar.

-Check your bunnies' fur and skin surface at least weekly, looking for any lumps, growths, or abnormalities.

-Most locales have an emergency night time veterinary service. What is yours and where do you have it posted?

-Carrots are high in sugar content, as is banana.

-Bunnies usually don't get dandruff. It is more likely to be fur mites.

-Fat-faced, big headed bunnies need feed containers they can get their heads in.

-Pet bunnies should all be neutered in the interests of behaviormodification, improved health, and longer life...makes 'em a better pet.

-Pet bunnies often need "toys" to keep them from getting bored.

-Pet bunnies probably need on the order of at least an hour a day of supervised freedom to exercise properly.

-If a bunny licks you, it is his/her way of saying, "I love you." Has nothing to do with salt on your skin and/or perfume.

-Mounting behavior is not uncommon even among neutered or same sex animals. It helps to establish a dominance rank order.

-High temperatures/humidity more likely to cause a rabbit's death than low.

-Some bunnies will eat foam rubber, necessitating risky, and expensive, surgery!

-Timothy hay given to your rabbits help to keep their systems clean offurballs, keeps their teeth in good shape, and they love it.

-Use hayracks so that the rabbit doesn't eat hay that they've urinated on as it will make them sick.

-Rabbits teeth continually grow. It's important to provide your rabbitwith a piece of wood or something hard to chew on so that their teethstay filed down.

-Always be sure your rabbit is kept dry and clean because they can get sick if exposed to a moist, damp, or dirty environment.

-Protect your rabbit from extreme changes in temperature.

-Never use cedar shavings as litter. Don't use cat litter in alitterbox because if the rabbit ingests it, it will make them ill.

-Pellet feed should have at least 18% or more of crude fiber. Colorfulrabbit food is more likely high in sugar and less in nutrients that arabbit needs.

-Rabbits usually sleep during the day and are most active at dawn and dusk.

-Unlimited amounts of stress can make your rabbit sick or even cause itto have an untimely death. Be sure that your rabbit isn't exposed tocontinual stresses.

-Do not put your rabbit's cage in a drafty or sunny area. If outside,always take precautions to protect the rabbit from the weather.

-Dried papaya or fresh pineapple can help move furballs though the rabbit's system.

-Pay close attention and be proactive with questions or aid to abnormalbehavior in your rabbit. The sooner the problem is treated, the betterchance of survival your rabbit has.

-(From Buck Jones) I add approximately one teaspoon of vanillaflavoring extract, real or artificial, to one gallon of drinking waterin an effort to reduce fly strike and warbles by reducing the number offlies in and about our rabbits.

-Rabbits love to chew on electrical wires. All such wires should be out of their reach.

-A rabbit's field of hearing is 360 degrees. Their ears can turnindividually to pick up the slightest noise. If you have an indoorrabbit, don't 'blast' the volume on your stereo or t.v. as it may hurtyour rabbit's ears and frighten your little one.

-Their sense of smell also is extremely keen. Some cleaning products really bother rabbits because of that sensitivity.

-Soft grinding of their teeth, purring, or a buzzing sound is a sign of contentment and happiness

-Hard grinding of their teeth means they're in severe pain or danger.

-Rabbits are social animals in that they like to be in a place wherethey can watch things going on around them. That said, they also enjoybeing able to 'get away from it all' when they want their quiet time.

-Before you let your rabbits loose in the yard, check the list of safefoods/plants in the Rabbit References post to be sure your rabbit issafe.

-When you pick up a rabbit or if it kicks while you're holding it,cover its eyes with your hand and talk gently to help calm it down.

-Don't overfeed your rabbit. A fat rabbit has a hard time hoppingaround and cleaning itself where it needs it the most. It's hard ontheir hearts as well.

-Don't chase your rabbit. It will be frightened of you and never trust you.

-Bunnies respond very well to praise and not well at all to yelling at them.

-Bunnies need to digest some foods twice therefore have two differenttypes of droppings. They eat the softer droppings (cecetropes) andshould not be discouraged as it's normal and necessary for the rabbit.

-When a bunny is frightened with their ears up (unless a lop) and eyesbulged, telling the little one "It's okay" and petting him/her willcalm her down immediately.

-Stress breaks down a rabbit's immunity system.

-A bunny that stares straight ahead, doesn't move or eat and is quiet is probably in pain or sick.

-Check the soles of your rabbit's feet often to be sure there aren't any cuts or injuries.

-Pet bunnies, especially indoors or unable to dig or hop, need to havetheir nails clipped when necessary (approximatley every 6 weeks-give ortake). Overgrown nails are painful and dangerous for a rabbit.

-You do not need to bathe your rabbit. They clean themselves as a catdoes. Unless the rabbit has to have droppings cleaned off of him/her orcan't do it themselves, best not to give them a bath. Rabbit's haveoils in their fur that a bath with soap can get interrupt the balance.Some rabbits' skin is sensitive to soaps.

-If you do have to clean a bunny, use lukewarm water and best to spotclean. A rabbit immersed into a bath, especially one of too cold or toohot, can be shocking to it and that could be fatal.

-Dehydration in a rabbit can put it into shock. No matter what, keep your rabbit hydrated if you have to syringe feed it.

-You should keep your rabbit pellets in a air-tight container to keep it fresh and not encourage other critters.



The 8th Edition of Rabbit Production byMcNitt/Patton/Lukefahr/Cheeke is considered the "Bible" for rabbitbreeders, however, pet owners will also find it very informative.

Domestic Rabbits and Their Histories -- Breeds of the World by Bob Whitman

Care of the Domestic Rabbit by Dr. Chris Hayhow

Rabbit Health 101 by Kathy Smith

The Private Life of The Rabbit by R.M. Lockley (out of print-look through web for Used Books)

The Really Useful Bunny Guide
by Caroline James

Rabbits for Dummies by Audrey Pavia

Rabbits and Hares by Anne McBride

The House Rabbit Handbook by Marinell Harriman

Why Does My Rabbit…? by Anne McBride

Lop Rabbits as Pets by Sandy Crook. (An excellent book for rabbit owners of any breed.)

Your Rabbit: A Kid's Guide to Raising and Showing by Nancy Searle

Barron's The Rabbit Handbook by Karen Gendron

Rabbit Handbook by David Taylor

Barron's Hop To It by Samantha Hunter

The Rabbit: An Owner’s Guide to a Happy Healthy Pet by Audrey Pavia

Storey’s Guide to Raising Rabbits: Breed, Care, and Facilities by Bob Bennett and Deborah Burns

Rabbits USA Annual Magazine





Safe Foods for Rabbits:http://earthhome.tripod.com/saferab.html

Determining the Gender of your rabbit:http://www.debmark.com/rabbits/sexing.htm

Is My Rabbit Pregnant?http://islandgems.net/palpating.html

Herbs for Rabbits:http://www.healthypetcorner.com/rabbit.html

Toxic Plants:http://www.adoptarabbit.com/articles/toxic.html

Rabbit Language and Behavior:http://www.muridae.com/rabbits/rabbittalk.html

Bonding Two or More Bunnies:[url]http://www.mybunnies.com/bonding.htm[/url]

The House Rabbit Society:http://www.rabbit.org/

Pictures of Rabbit Breeds:http://www.arba.net/photo.htm


GI Stasis:http://fig.cox.miami.edu/Faculty/Dana/ileus.html

Diarrhea:http://fig.cox.miami.edu/Faculty/Dana/poop.html

Why Rabbits Eat Their Poop:http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html

Runny Nose, Eyes, Sneezing:http://fig.cox.miami.edu/Faculty/Dana/sneezing.html

The “Tooth” about Lagomorphs:http://www.geocities.com/billynock/TEETH.html

The Rabbit Railroad:http://www.rabbitrailroad.com/

Pet Loss and Grief:http://rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm

Finding a vet in your area:http://www.rabbit.org/care/vets.html

RabbitReferences:http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rabrefs.html

Types of Hay:http://www.rabbit.org/chapters/san-diego/diet/hay_grass.html

Mites:http://www.mybunny.org/info/mites.pdf

Spaying and/or Neutering Your Rabbit:http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/spay-neuter.html?

Preventing Fly Strike with Vanilla Extract:http://rabbits.com/page_9.htm

Heat and Sun Stroke in Hot Climates:http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=864&forum_id=1

Pasturella: Symptoms of a cold, very serious respiratoryinfection.[url]http://www.rabbit.org/care/pasturella.html[/url]


[align=left]Third Eyelid: This is what it looks like:http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9798/Nov26_97/eye2.jpg

Bunny Years Calculator:http://www.bunnyrescue.org/calcage.html

Litterbox Training:http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=7&forum_id=1

Toys:http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=407&forum_id=1

Rescuing Wildlife Rabbits and Baby Rabbits:[url]http://www.wildliferescueleague.org/report/nova_rabbit.html[/url]

Rabbit Eyes:[url]http://home.kc.rr.com/jhabernal/mohrskc/hrswebpg24.html[/url]

Binky: Expression of happiness by arabbit. "When a rabbit binkies, it jumps into the air and twists itshead and body in opposite directions (sometimes twice) before fallingback to the ground."http://www.muridae.com/rabbits/rabbittalk_binkies.html


Bunny Flop: Very relaxed rabbits will roll ontotheir sides or even on their backs. A favorite way to do this is tofirst twist one's head sideways, then fling the rest of the body intoline so that the feet fly out to the side. This is called a "flop" andindicates a very happy bunny. A happy rabbit may lie on its side (orback), and stretch or wiggle or sometimes just hold still there. It mayeven roll its eyes a bit so that the white shows. When you first seethis you will probably be afraid your rabbit is dead, because it lookspretty odd. If you rush over to give it CPR, it will quickly rightitself and look strangely at you for disturbing a nice stretch.http://www.muridae.com/rabbits/rabbittalk_binkies.html


Some terms you'll see in the rabbit world:

4-H CLUB: An organization that teaches children how to care for and exhibit livestock.

ARBA: American Rabbit Breeders Association

Buck: Male rabbit

Broken: A variety that has a color in conjunction with white


Culling: Removal of undesirable rabbits from the herd

Dam: The mother of a rabbit

Dewlap: A fold of loose skin which hangs from the throat, common in does

Doe: Female Rabbit


Flat Coat: Fur lying to closely to the body. Lacksspring or body as noted by touch. Usually a fine coat coupled with alack of density.

Fly Back: When the fur returns quickly to its normalposition after being stroked toward the head of the rabbit.

Gestation: The time between mating and kindling of a doe, usually about 31 days.

Hock: The portion of the foot that carries the weight of the rabbit

HRS: House Rabbit Society

Juniors: A rabbit under 6 months old


Kindling: Giving birth

Kits: Baby rabbits


Litter: Young rabbits being raised by a doe

Luster: Brilliance/brightness of fur

Moult/Molt: The process of shedding fur

Nest: A whole in straw or hay, which a doe lines with fur, preparing for the litter to be born.


Nutri-Cal: A high calorie dietary energizer for animals who won't eat.

Open Coat: Fur that doesn't return to normal position when stroked backwards.

Peanut: A kit that is born with a dwarfing gene from eachparent. With such a genetic make-up, they usually die within a few daysof birth as they are unable to grow.

PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

Runt: Smallest kit of the litter, but able to grow as big as their siblings.

Rollback: Fur that gently falls back into position when stroked backwards.

Sexing: Determining the sex of the rabbit

Weaning: The separation of young from the doe. Ending the lactating and nursing period.


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Special Thanks to Pamnock, Buck Jones, and BunnyMommy for your contributions.

-Carolyn
 
how glad am i that you are so genrous to provideus with this information EXCELLENT post carolyn. thank you for takingall the time to educate us more about our furry freinds!

sara
 
Carolyn wrote:
1) Bunnies usually don't get dandruff. It is more likely to be fur mites.

2) Pet bunnies probably need on the order of at least an hour a day of supervised freedom to exercise properly.

3) Use hayracks so that the rabbit doesn't eat hay that they've urinated on as it will make them sick.

4) Rabbits teeth continually grow. It's important to provide yourrabbit with a piece of wood or something hard to chew on so that theirteeth stay filed down.

5) Never use cedar shavings as litter. Don't use cat litterin a litterbox because if the rabbit ingests it, it will make them ill.

6) Before you let your rabbits loose in the yard, check the list ofsafe foods/plants in the Rabbit References post to be sure your rabbitis safe.

7) When you pick up a rabbit or if it kicks while you're holding it,cover its eyes with your hand and talk gently to help calm it down.

8) Bunnies need to digest some foods twice therefore have two differenttypes of droppings. They eat the softer droppings (cecetropes) andshould not be discouraged as it's normal and necessary for the rabbit.

Not much of a correct "Cheat Sheet."

1 -- Rabbits can get dandruff anytime, especially if they are shedding. It's simply dry skin.

2 -- Pet rabbits need AT LEAST 5-7 hours a day out of their enclosure.Come on now. If you were kept in a cage all day, except for an hour offree time, would you think that were fair? No. Of course not.

3 -- Some rabbits hate hay racks and won't eat half as much hay. Also,rabbits are intelligent creatures. They will not eat hay that they haveurinated on. Just make sure to provide enough hay so that if the rabbitdoes urinate on some, there is always more fresh.

4 -- Pieces of wood or "hard things" to chew on can do horrible thingsto your rabbit. They have sensitive digestive systems, you can't befeeding them wood. Unlimited grass hays, limited pellets, and lots ofdifferent varieties of vegetables and greens will keep your rabbit'steeth healthy.

5 -- Also never use pine shavings. Both pine and cedar shavings/chipshave what's called phenols in them. It is a chemical that, wheninhaled, can cause respiratory problems, and even liver complications.

6 -- Along with checking for poisonous plants, make sure there is noanimal feces, bees, et cetera. Always keep your rabbit on a harness andleash for safety.

7 -- If a rabbit is kicking when it's picked up, it can break it's ownback. Never pick a rabbit up unless it is completely and utterlynecessary. The rabbit's forte is terra firma (I. E. they like theground). Covering up their eyes will only make them more frightened.Wrapping them in a towel can help the rabbit not kick too much whenpicked up, just make sure not to cover their face and that the towel'snot wrapped too tightly.

8 -- Actually, that's cecotropes, or cecals. Not "cecetropes."
 
Not a very kind, nor accurate response upon yourpart either, Succubus. I think you'remissing theforest because of the trees. Re:

1. I think the key word here is, "usual." In all myyears of rabbit fancying, I've never had a rabbit developdandruff. If any "flakes" appeared, it eventually proved tobe mites of one form or another.

If any of my rabbits were to manifest "dandruff" today, I wouldimmediately search for mites, rather than simply write it off asdandruff due to molting. Assuming the latter could havedetrimental and far reaching repercussions if it were, indeed, theformer.

2. While pet rabbits might enjoy, "...AT LEAST 5-7 hours aday out of their enclosure.," let's be reasonable. I doubtthat most pet owners have the time, space available, nor theinclination to spend that much time daily properly supervising theirat-liberty pet rabbit. Please don't give me themalarkey that they should not then have a pet. Most people donot spend that amount of time with any animal, unless it is theiroccupation.

Now, there are certain "radical" individuals, who, like myself, permittheir pet rabbits to free range all day in their back yard, suitablyequipped with a "safe house" to retreat to should some unlikelypredatormaterialize. That amount and "kind" offreedom I suspect you will find fault with as itis expresslycontrary to the precepts of some well knownrabbitorganizations.

In spiteof what you or I may do and/or recommend, it wouldappear rabbits have fared fairly well in the last two millennium ofrabbit husbandry by beingwithin enclosures of one sort oranother.

3. Indeed, rabbits are intelligent creatures, but likepeople, some are more intelligent than others, and some have been knowto eat urine soaked hay, contrary to what you may have experiencedand/or believe. I, myself, would rather not take the chanceof such an occurrence by providing a rack to insure that my rabbits arenot ingesting soiled hay. Obviously, you are free to takechances as you see fit.

4. I have yet to read or experience a rabbit being harmed bychewing on wood, unless it is poisonous in some manner. Evenshould I not provide it, which I do, our buns seek it out on their ownas is evidenced by the rabbit damaged wood on our furniture,doors,moldings on the wall and the hedges and trees in ourback yard.

I don't believe the poster ever implied wood should be fed to rabbitsas a dietary ingredient. Rabbits like to chew on things, likewood. If one does not provide it, they will find it on theirown, I'm afraid. LOL

5. More than one rabbit authority has declared pine shavingsto not be classified along with cedar shavings in terms ofdetrimental affect upon rabbit respiratory systems and epidermalsurfaces. I suggest you update your research sources on thisquestion.

6. While I utilize leash and harness when Iputour bunsdown on the groundinpublic places, I also frequently carry one, or two, in a "front pack"when we are at flea markets, craft shows, yard sales, fairs,etc. In the latter case, or while free ranging in our backyard, I would never dream of placing them in a harness.

7. Come on! I like to pick my rabbits up because Ilove them and want to interact with them. Their "purring,"more often than not, suggests they like it, too! How can youhave a rabbit as a pet and,"Never pick up a rabbit up unless it iscompletely and utterly necessary.(?)" An unreasonable commentlike thatleads me to doubtthat you, yourself, ownany rabbits as pets.

Covering rabbits' eyes, in my experience, has only served to calm anervous rabbit down. Some will, in fact, do it themselves byshoving their faces in the crook of my arm when they are being held.

8. Actually, you're correct on thisone.

9. And, actually, while you may find yourotherInternet interests and moniker clever, funny, or cool, Ithinkthey areinappropriate here, on a familyoriented forum, visited by "normal" peopleandchildren. Why don't you take that kind of truck somewhereelse, where it might be more appreciated by individuals such asyourself?


Buck


P.S. Lest any poster think Iam being unduly cruel by postingthe above smiley, accessing theprofile of Succubuswill dispel thatconcern, along with the meaning of her name.






 
Thank you buck!!!

well i guess all there is to say about that isbe nice succubus. no one was ever rude to you im quite sure . and toadd to that buck obviously proved that you dont know as much as youclaim to. so next time before you become an all knowing jerk read abook or 2 and know what your saying!
 

Thanks for picking up on the typo. Wupps!

-Carolyn
 
Well, you've made it obvious to mewhat kind of forum this is for -- breeders. I, myself, only care forhouse rabbits. Rabbits I consider my children and treat them aptly asso. A great many things in your "Cheat Sheet" are incorrect, and I wishyou'd research more, but I won't be the one pointing them out in thenear future. Also, you took my comment a little off, and I reallydidn't mean to be rude. Just pointing out that it's inaccurate andcould steer new rabbit owners in the wrong direction. Also, I know aGREAT many people who spend 3-6 hours everyday with their animals, andthey have jobs that are, in fact, not dealing with animals. And no, youdon't have to be fanatical to spend that much time with your pets, youjust have to be dedicated.

The "witch" emoticon is a little childish, and shows you don't know much in regards to either mythology, or theology.

 
Ok I'm sorry but I have to speak up here. Imyself am relatively new to this forum but if you can say it allbreeders then you obviously haven't been reading the posts. A greatmany people in here have house rabbits and from what I've read care forthem as if they were one of their children and in some cases thatsexactly what the bunnies are. So maybe before you come in and startjudging. You should read the posts. And on another note had you readthe posts you'd know that most of them are WELL researched. Well that'sJMO!
 
i have to speak up hear i am sorry if this comes off rude succubus but maybe it needs to

Succubus wrote:
Carolyn wrote:
1) Bunnies usually don't get dandruff. It is more likely to be fur mites.

2) Pet bunnies probably need on the order of at least an hour a day of supervised freedom to exercise properly.

3) Use hayracks so that the rabbit doesn't eat hay that they've urinated on as it will make them sick.

4) Rabbits teeth continually grow. It's important to provide yourrabbit with a piece of wood or something hard to chew on so that theirteeth stay filed down.

5) Never use cedar shavings as litter. Don't use cat litterin a litterbox because if the rabbit ingests it, it will make them ill.

6) Before you let your rabbits loose in the yard, check the list ofsafe foods/plants in the Rabbit References post to be sure your rabbitis safe.

7) When you pick up a rabbit or if it kicks while you're holding it,cover its eyes with your hand and talk gently to help calm it down.

8) Bunnies need to digest some foods twice therefore have two differenttypes of droppings. They eat the softer droppings (cecetropes) andshould not be discouraged as it's normal and necessary for the rabbit.

Not much of a correct "Cheat Sheet."

4 -- Pieces of wood or "hard things" to chew on can dohorrible things to your rabbit. They have sensitive digestive systems,you can't be feeding them wood. Unlimited grass hays, limited pellets,and lots of different varieties of vegetables and greens will keep yourrabbit's teeth healthy.

5 -- Also never use pine shavings. Both pine and cedar shavings/chipshave what's called phenols in them. It is a chemical that, wheninhaled, can cause respiratory problems, and even liver complications.



what do rabbits chew on in the wild hmmm yes they do chew ontwigs and branches rabbits chew it is what they do they have to ortheir teeth will grow to much. rabbits are pretty sturdy littlecreatures and i think its highly unfair to say that they cant digestthings such as wood.

do you smoke dose anyone in your family how about drink? well if you doany of those things or ever have then you run the risk of geting canceror having problems with your liver the point is there is always achance, even if you never have done any of theses things you couldstill get somthing.

also, you have posted 5 posts which means to methat you are new hear so how can you pass jugement on any of us, i amnot a breeder and i have a house rabbit that i care for as my child aswell, as do the rest of the people posting here if you read anyone ofthe posts it would be clear to you. this may be none of my buissness doyou work from home? because unless you did i couldnt see how you wouldhave the time to watch your rabbit for 5 to 7 hours at a time while itsout of its cage. also to add to that rabbits are most active at dawnand a sunset they sleep the rest of the time and while they sleep theylike to be in their cage where they feel safe.

to add to the fact that you werent being rude i would very much beg to differ .

its good you came here but if you are going tobe a part of this forum dont pretend or act like you know everythingbecause as buck pointed out your sources ar a little out dated and benice for god sakes

sara
 
I know you're young Succubus, but some members ofthe forum are even younger than you. Buck was most likely suggestingthat your name was inappropriate for a board like this. You can attemptto correct me if you like, but you may want to research your cute nameyourself. A succubus is a demon who takes female form to have sex withmen at night. I don't care what you want to call yourself, but if youpick a provacative name accept that you will provokepeople.Call yourself anything you like, but don'tbeso indignate when it is pointed out.This is aforum for rabbit fanciers. While you are at it try accepting thatpeople here are friendly to eachother. We don't judge and makeassumptions about what kind of people others are, and most of us don't"only care about house rabbits" we care about all of them.

This isa rabbit forum for goodness sake get over yourself.
 
Sarah wrote:
Youcan attempt to correct me if you like, but you may want to researchyour cute name yourself. A succubus is a demon who takes female form tohave sex with men at night. I don't care what you want to callyourself, but if you pick a provacative name accept that you willprovoke people.Call yourself anything you like, but don'tbeso indignate when it is pointed out.






Peruse her profile and read between the lines of her e-mailaddress and other items. She knows full well what she isdoing in all categories, and she is attempting to do it here,also. NOT!



Succubus,

Thirty-two years as a teacher of Ancient and World History, and areligious teacher in my parish, I do know just a bit about mythology,religion, Wikka and Satanism. I recognize you forwhat you are, but truth be known, I suspect you, yourself, are not theexpert in those fields that you purport to be...as with rabbits.



Buck


P.S. Your own very touching story about the various losses ofyourpast buns most certainly generates greatcompassion within me and you, and they,might have been betterserved if you had access to a forum such as this during thosetimes. I truly hope Beanus is happy, wherever he may be, andI know that Gypsy is safely ensconced across that RainbowBridge. You did the best you could, given thecircumstances you were in at the time.

In spite of all that, though, I could not, in all goodconscience, sit by while you maligned what I considered a verythoughtful, eruditeand lengthy post by the forummoderator in the behalf of people who might be new pet rabbit owners,much like you were when those unfortunate events occurred..

If, likesome young people, you wish to gain attention throughthe shock value of Gothic blood sports, witchcraft speculationand the like, rest assured you will attain thatgoal. In all earnestness, I hope you come to recognize theerror of those paths before too much damage has been inflicted uponyour own psyche and those of your loved ones around you.

In spite of all that I have written above, I do not wish you ill, butdo hope you can find some form of relief from the angst that seems totrouble you. An old comic cartoon character you are too youngto remember, by the name of Pogo, the opossum, once said, as he held asword in paw and wearing a tri-cornered military hat, "We have met theenemy, and they are us!"

Sometimes, we are our own worstenemies.



 
Buck Jones wrote:
Succubus,

Thirty-two years as a teacher of Ancient and World History, and areligious teacher in my parish, I do know just a bit about mythology,religion, Wikka and Satanism. I recognize you forwhat you are, but truth be known, I suspect you, yourself, are not theexpert in those fields that you purport to be...as with rabbits.



Buck


P.S. Your own very touching story about the various losses ofyourpast buns most certainly generates greatcompassion within me and you, and they,might have been betterserved if you had access to a forum such as this during thosetimes. I truly hope Beanus is happy, wherever he may be, andI know that Gypsy is safely ensconced across that RainbowBridge. You did the best you could, given thecircumstances you were in at the time.

If, likesome young people, you wish to gain attention throughthe shock value of Gothic blood sports, witchcraft speculationand the like, rest assured you will attain thatgoal. In all earnestness, I hope you come to recognize theerror of those paths before too much damage has been inflicted uponyour own psyche and those of your loved ones around you.

Now that we have veered completely off the subject and you are now attacking my religious belief..

It's Wicca, not "Wikka." Regardless, I am not Wiccan. Thought, just toclarify for you, it isvery far from Satanism, which, by theway, has very little to do with the devil. Simply because I have upsetyou with my attitude, that does not mean you can sit there, look overmy profile, and then parade around with your, might I add incorrect,findings. Upset my family? Please.. My mother is a Christian, and shesupports me in whatever I do. Paganism has absolutely nothing againstChristianity, and is in no way related to Satanism, the devil, oranything else of that nature. There are no sacrifices, very few of usare "goth," and there is never any blood shed for anything. "Succubus"is merely a nickname a friend of mine gave me, nothing more, nothingless. I am not a Satanist. I am not against Christianity or Christians.Do not point your finger at me when you are incorrect.

Telling me that, "had I had a forum like this" back when I had Gypsyand Beanus, and thatthings might've "turned outdifferently"is a very low blow. For one thing,youcan read my story all you want. I put it there to behonest about my mistakes as a pet owner, show howfar I haveprogressed from the beginning,and to hopefully help others,were they in that situation. Not for you to come up with your ownmeanderings on how, if I had people like you, Gypsy's and Beanus' fatesmight've been different. Don't comment about my dead pets in thatmanner. I'm sure if someone close to you died, you wouldn't likesomeone telling you, "Well, had you known me, things might've turnedout differently!"

True, the reply to your post had attitude. You made some valid pointsin your first reply, and then things got a little childish and out ofhand. Agreed, my screen name probably should not be "Succubus" sincethere are younger members of the board, and I was not aware of this. Itis my standard user name, and has been for a while, so I didn't reallylook into it.

Try to keep on subject when you are arguing, and not find random otherthings to throw at the person. After all, what does my religion have todo with my pets? Not a thing.

We can call this a truce and stop bickering, if you'd like.
 
It is not my nature to be vindictive andacrimonious. I have no problems with a "truce," if youcanrespect the manner in which wechosetotreat each other here, and perhaps refrainfrom some of your "pagan" terminology.

Just for the purposes of clarification, you brought your religion intothe forum with your moniker and your profile and I viewed those as fairconcepts to question, given the nature and constituency of thisforumand the people who regularly post here. FYI,"Wikka" is an acceptable, but more ancient, and, therefore, moreappropriate spelling, for that antiquated practice.

Au contraire, I thought I was quite on topic for the most part, but Ido admit to being softened in my attitude towardyouby reading yourpoignant story and, perhaps,digressing a bit toward the end, but the "teacher" in me will out, Iguess. We always want to fix things and make it better.



Buck

 
Buck Jones wrote:
It is not my nature to be vindictive andacrimonious. I have no problems with a "truce," if youcanrespect the manner in which wechosetotreat each other here, and perhaps refrainfrom some of your "pagan" terminology.

Just for the purposes of clarification, you brought your religion intothe forum with your moniker and your profile and I viewed those as fairconcepts to question, given the nature and constituency of thisforumand the people who regularly post here. FYI,"Wikka" is an acceptable, but more ancient, and, therefore, moreappropriate spelling, for that antiquated practice.

Au contraire, I thought I was quite on topic for the most part, but Ido admit to being softened in my attitude towardyouby reading yourpoignant story and, perhaps,digressing a bit toward the end, but the "teacher" in me will out, Iguess. We always want to fix things and make it better.

I really didn't bring anything to the forum. True, the screen name, butagain, that's just a nickname. Many nicknames that are given to peopleby their friends really don't mean anything. As is the way with mine.

You bring up my profile again, so I will clarify more. My email wascreated about 6 years ago, and is not an accurate depiction of mecurrently, so do not judge me based on that. My Yahoo screen name,HolyBlood0, was from one of my favorite books, Holy Blood, HolyGrail, which deals with new research into Christianity and JesusChrist.

Wicca is a very young belief path, being barely 50 years old. I find ithard to believe there are "ancient" spellings of its name. I can citemany sources, if you wish.

Anyway. A truce sounds grand. I will change my screen name to something more appropriate and attempt to learn manners. :D
 
Bumping this up for Jake...

~M
 

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