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Old 04-10-2010, 09:54 AM   #1
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this is all hypothetically speaking of course...

so the other day i had my nibbler sitting with me on the couch. He came upon a small pile of hemp/cannabis stems that were stacked on the arm of the sofa. he went straight for them and nibbled them all up!!! i know that it's not toxic to humans, but is it to rabbits? is it ok to feed it to them? has anyone else tried this?? i was also told that rabbits are immune to thc so there is no need for concern over the rabbits eating these stems and getting high. Thoughts??



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Old 04-10-2010, 10:13 AM   #2
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Lucky you. My buns were never interested in the stems they came upon on the floor of my room. XDDD

However, I prefer to save mine to make tea from.

But I can't tell you if it's good or bad. Eh.



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Old 04-10-2010, 11:48 AM   #3
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i am pretty certain it doesn't harm or we'd be hearing horror tales of test rabbits gone crazy from eating hemp, it would totally be a reason to be illegal. i went to the 'farmacy' today and asked what they did with their stems and sticks or if they would sell them and they said the same thing, that they saved them to brew tea. i probably won't be able to find the high quality stuff he first ate but i'm pretty sure i could find just plain old hemp stems for them...

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Isn't hemp an illegal drug? :O

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Edit: thread has been reinstated. See Pipp's comments! Thanks.

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We won't condone any talk about getting rabbits 'high', which is considered a symptom of a 'toxic' substance (what may seem euphoric to a human could be very uncomfortable to a rabbit), but discussion (and more research) about the consumption of hemp products and the toxic or non-toxic effect of plant parts is welcome.

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Old 04-11-2010, 12:35 AM   #7
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Interesting subject! Here's what I've found on it:

[flash=425,344]http://www.youtube.com/v/YCttegJ2rTM&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]




I know it's great for animals with arthritis. And I'm sure we're all aware by now that scientists have not been able to kill rats with any dose of it, so I'd say it's safe.

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Rabbits don't always avoid plants that aren't good for them. My guys finish every bit of their salads, even though there may have been a missed 'rotten bit' and they end up with gas. Pipp will know to be cautious next time (she won't eat the offending veggie again for days or weeks), the others just continue gobbling them up.

If rabbits are used to be fed food and treats and they taste good, don't count on them knowing its not good for them.

Right now we don't need examples of rabbits eating the stuff, we need to research the effects and toxic properties.


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PS: The fact that rats didn't 'drop dead' after ingesting a bunch is a poor indication of its safety. Rabbits have totally different systems and reactions, and those rats may have had other effects than death. And as stated, it may have made them darn uncomfortable. Photos of irresponsible people just testing the stuff out on their rabbits is near-criminal in behavior alone.

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Actually, they have killed rats: "the dose of THC which kills 50 per
cent of animals (LD50) when administered intravenously is 40mg/kg in
the rat but 130mg/kg in the dog and monkey (Rosencrantz, 1983)."
Yes, it was administered intavenously, but it did kill them.
I have not (yet?) found citations about what the LD50 dose would be when ingested. It also depends on what part of the plant is ingested, as the leaves, and especially the stems, seem to contain much less THC than the buds.
The stems are also highly fibrous, that's what people used to use to make hemp fibers for ropes and clothing.

Andreabaylon, did you notice any effect on Nibbler? Did he show any signs of being affected at all?
I guess the best thing to do here is keep an eye on him, and check for any signs of GI slowdown etc.

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OK I just found some LD50 values:
"According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, THC has a LD50 (dose killing half of the research subjects) value of 1270 mg/kg (male rats) and 730 mg/kg (female rats) administered orally dissolved in sesame oil. The LD50 value for rats by inhalation of THC is 42 mg/kg of body weight."

Here is a list of LD50's:

Animal Administration LD[sub]50[/sub] [mg/kg]
rat oral 666
rat (male) oral 270
rat (female) oral 730
rat inhalation 42
rat intraperitoneal 373
rat intravenous 29
mouse intravenous 42
mouse oral 482
mouse intraperitoneal 168
monkey intravenous 128
dog oral 525



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